ნინო ცხვარაძე: ახლაც გავიმარჯვებთ და მეათე გამარჯვება დაგვიფიქსირდება
jer marko rubios, xolo Semdeg aSS-is prezident trampis mier 26 maisis molocvam absoluturad Secvala politikur ZalTa ganwyoba saqarTveloSi. trampis gaprezidentebis Semdeg, pozicia-opozicia daZabuli molodinis reJimSi imyofeboda da nebismier fotos, frazas, xelis CamorTmevas Tu almacerad gadaxedvas imxela aJiotaJi mohyveboda, rom ramdenime dRis ganmavlobaSi hyofnida presas Temebis gasaaxleblad.
am sakiTxze da adgilobriv arCevnebSi monawileoba-ar monawileobaze vsaubrobT baTumis sakrebulos wevr, partia `xalxis Zalis~ warmomadgenel nino cxvaraZesTan, romelsac miaCnia, rom trampma opozicias civi wyali gadaasxa. . .
– ra komentars gaakeTebT aSS-is saxelmwifo mdivan marko rubiosa da prezident trampis molocvebTan dakavSirebiT, romlebmac araerTgvarovani reaqcia gamoiwvia politikur speqtrSi?
– sanam Zireul sakiTxze gadavidode, visargebleb SemTxveviT da marTalia, mogvianebiT, magram guliT mivulocav qarTvel xalxs damoukideblobis dRes, risTvisac saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi ibrZoda. es dRe gansakuTrebulia Cveni erisTvis, radgan, bolos da bolos vigrZeniT saxelmwifoebriobis xibli da aravis mivcemT misi dakninebis saSualebas. Cven mivdivarT damoukidebeli gziT da aucileblad gavagrZelebT svlas, raTa mivaRwioT qveynis rogorc politikur, ise ekonomikur keTildReobas, absoluturad gamovTavisufldeT im gareSe Zalebisgan, romelTa zegavleniTac qarTveli qarTvels upirispirdeba, azianebs saqarTvelos imijs da xels uSlis mis gaZlierebas. rac Seexeba amerikis SeerTebuli Statebidan gaJRerebul molocvebs, marko rubios gancxadebam cotaTi Seafiqriana yvela, radgan igi damoukideblobis dRes ulocavda qarTvel xalxs da ara xelisuflebas. . . mesmis, rom am xelisuflebas irCevs xalxi da swored xalxis dResaswaulia 26 maisi, magram, samwuxarod, aseTi xazgasmuli mimarTva opoziciam konkretulad misTvis gamiznul milocvad gaasaRa. sul sxva ganwyoba daeufla maT, rodesac gamoqveynda donald trampis milocva, is mimarTavs xelisuflebas da aRuTqvams mas ormxrivi sarfiani TanamSromlobis perspeqtivebs. es ramdenime winadadeba iqca axali vnebaTaRelvis mizezi. ukve aSkara gaxda, rom aSS-is cota ar iyos eqscentriuli prezidenti, romelic amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi saqarTvelos Sesaxeb dumils amjobinebda, axla gaerkva viTarebaSi da airCia `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardaWeris pozicia. es ukve calsaxaa da ara mgonia, raime Seicvalos. yvelam kargad viciT, ra damokidebuleba aqvs tramps ara mxolod evropis calkeuli qveynebis, aramed mTlianad evrokavSiris mimarT. masTan saerTo enis gamonaxvas uSedegod cdiloben wamyvani saxelmwifoebis liderebi da am fonze, aseTi keTilganwyobili, Tbili da saqmiani molocva saqarTvelos prezidentis mimarT, namdvilad adasturebs mis pozitiur ganwyobas Cveni patara qveynisadmi. . . am molocvam civi wyali gadaasxa opoziciis imedebs da mimaCnia, rom marTla unda gamofxizldes yvela, erTxel da samudamod gaigon, rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba iRvwis qarTveli xalxisTvis saukeTeso momavlis Sesaqmnelad. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom milocvis bolo frazam, sadac trampi aqcents akeTebs samomavlo urTierTobebze – `samomavlod velodebi Cvens qveynebs Soris ekonomikuri kavSirebis gaRrmavebas samarTliani vaWrobis mxardaWerisa da ormxrivi TanamSromlobis arealis gafarToebis gziT~ – SeaSfoTa da aRaSfoTa Cveni radikaluri opozicia, romelic ar fiqrobs qveynis momavalze da Zalian cud samsaxurs uwevs mas saerTaSoriso imijis Selaxvis gziT. imedi maqvs, es adamianebi gonze movlen da moiqcevian ise, rogorc namdvil konstruqciul opozicias ekadreba.
– axlovdeba adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi. rogor fiqrobT, trampis es pozicia moaxdens Tu ara gavlenas opoziciis im dajgufebebze, romlebic boikotis reJimSi arian?
– am bolos socialur qselSi gavrcelda Cveni yofili prezidentis salome zurabiSvilis, msubuqad rom vTqvaT, Rimilis momgvreli gancxadeba, romliTac mouwodebs opozicias, magrad dadgnen da oqtomberSi. rogorc adgilobrivi, ise saparlamento arCevnebi Caatarebinon mTavrobas. aseve, ucnauri iyo paata burWulaZis mowodeba arCevnebis telefoniT Catarebis Sesaxeb. . . Zalian sasacilo mdgomareobaSi igdeben Tavs da guli mwydeba, rom aseT araadekvatur opoziciasTan gviwevs urTierToba. saparlamento arCevnebi aRiara yvela avtoritetulma saarCevno sadamkvirveblo organizaciam, mxars gviWeren da aRiareben Cvens mTavrobas rogorc wamyvani saxelmwifoebi, ise super saxelmwifo, aSS-is saxiT, romlis liderma xmamaRla gamoTqva mzadyofna, xeli Seuwyos Cvens xelisuflebas da win waswios qveynis ekonomika. ase rom, nuravis eqneba vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebis Catarebis iluzia.
– rogor fiqrobT, gagrZeldeba Tu ara saprotesto mitingebi da Seva Tu ara opozicia sakanonmdeblo organoebSi?
– es Cven ki ara, maTac ar ician, radgan damokidebuli arian imaze, Tu ras ubrZaneben damqiraveblebi, gare Zalebi, romlebic dRemde axdenen maTze zegavlenas. Tuki miuTiTeben, arCevnebSic monuri morCilebiT miiReben monawileobas da sakanonmdeblo organoebSic Sevlen, Tu arada, gaagrZeleben qveynis Signidan ngrevas da sazogadoebis orad gaxleCas, rac miuRebelia yvela im qarTvelisTvis, saqarTvelos momavali da misi keTildReoba rom adardebs.
– ori opoziciuri partia ukve daTanxmda adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi monawileobas.
– simarTle giTxraT, didad ar mainteresebs sxva partiebis dRis wesrigi, sakuTari saqmec bevri gvaqvs, Tumca, rogorc vici, gaxarias partia namdvilad apirebs adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi monawileobas, xolo `lelos~, mgoni, jer sabolood ar gadauwyvetia… an morigdebian, ar garigdebian, mokled – SeTanxmdebian… me, cxadia, momxre var, rom sakrebulo iyos sxvadasxva partiis warmomadgenlebisgan dakompleqtebuli, vinaidan WeSmariti opozicia ar gaZlevs modunebis saSualebas – iRvwis qveynis sakeTildReod, yvela SeniSvna konstruqciulia da gaTvlilia mosaxleobis komfortze. minda iyos jansaRi da konkurentunariani saarCevno veli, sadac yvela politikur subieqts eqneba sakuTari Tavis warmoCenis sruli SesaZlebloba da amomrCeveli xmas miscems imas, vinc ufro axlos iqneba mis politikur mrwamsTan. es situacia kidev ufro met stimuls aZlevs arCevnebSi monawile yvela subiqts.
– arajansaR opoziciaSi vis gulisxmobT?
– im politikur Zalebs, romlebic Tvalsa da xels Sua angreven qveyanas da xels uSlian mis ganviTarebas. isini Tvals ibrmaveben, Tavs iyrueben, raTa ar dainaxon is sasikeTo Zvrebi, rac saqarTveloSia.
– Tqveni partia ra formiT miiRebs monawileobas adgilobriv arCevnebSi?
– jer araa gadawyvetili, ra formiT CaverTvebiT `xalxis Zala~ winasaarCevno kampaniaSi, damoukideblad viyriT kenWs Tu koaliciaSi gaverTiandebiT. yvelaferi es liderebis prerogativaa. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom wels gveqneba meaTe, saiubileo arCevnebi. imedi maqvs, axlac gavimarjvebT da meaTe gamarjveba dagvifiqsirdeba. cxadia, `qarTuli ocneba~ upirobo lideria, xolo Cven gavalT wamyvan poziciebze, amaSi darwmunebuli var. ukve arsebobs saarCevno kampaniis monaxazi, gvaqvs imis ambicia, survili da unari, rom saqarTvelos yvela regionSi viyaroT kenWi da yvela olqSi gavimarjvebT.
– adre iyo savaldebulo genderuli kvotebi, rac miznad isaxavda sakanonmdeblo organoebSi qalTa warmomadgenlobis etapobriv zrdas. . .
– dRes saqarTvelos mosaxleobis naxevarze mets (54%) qalebi Seadgenen. aqve isic minda giTxraT, rom sayovelTaod aRiarebuli qalTa politikuri monawileobis ufleba CvenTanac myarad aris daculi, Tumca maTi monawileobis maCvenebeli ukiduresad dabalia. . . sxvaTa Soris, cota ar mesiamovna genderuli kvotirebis Semdegi formulireba: `partiul siaSi gansxvavebuli sqesis warmomadgeneli miTiTebuli iyos minimum yovel mesame kandidatad~. . . ver gavige, sqesis mixedviT ratom unda ganisazRvros rigiToba? ratom mesame? viqnebiT pirvelebi. qalebi namdvilad imsaxureben gansakuTrebul mopyrobas, radgan gacilebiT gulisxmierebi, sicocxlis moyvarulebi, mzrunvelebi varT. imas, rasac SeamCnevs da gaakeTebs qali, verasodes moaxerxebs mamakaci. vgulisxmob uamrav detals, risganac Sedgeba Cveni qalaqis yofa. qals meti Tvalsawieri gaaCnia.
– sakrebulosa da meriis ra warmatebebze SeiZleba isaubroT am gadasaxedidan?
– mogexsenebaT, qalaqs aqvs msuye biujeti, romelic baTumsa da baTumelebzea morgebuli. gansakuTrebiT minda gamovyo jandacva da socialuri sfero, romlis programebi morgebulia yvela baTumelze. axla ukve ar unda gvqondes daavadebis SemTxvevaSi imis SiSi, rom usaxsrobis gamo ver SevZlebT maRalteqnologiuri kvlevebis Tu Zvirad Rirebuli operaciebis Catarebas, yvela baTumel pacients exmareba qalaqis meria. soliduri Tanxebia gaTvaliswinebuli qalaqis infrastruqturis mosawesrigebladac. ukve dasrulda rusTavelis quCis nawilis reabilitacia, rac gantvirTavs baTumelTa Tavis tkivilad qceul sacobebs, Tumca, mxolod es quCa ver moxsnis problemas. sacobebi isev da isev rCeba gamowvevad qalaqis mesveurTaTvis. ra Tqma unda, arsebobs am problemis gadaWris gzebic.
– pikis saaTebSi sazogadoebrivi transporti, avtobusebi gadaWedilia mgzavrebiT, skolaSi mimavali bavSvebi iWylitebian salonSi, bevri amtkicebs, rom momravlda jibis qurdobac. . .
– pirvel rigSi, minda aRvniSno, mixaria, baTumelebi sazogadoebrivi transportiT rom mgzavroben. sul ufro naklebi adamiani sargeblobs samarSruto taqsebis Zvirad Rirebuli momsaxurebiT. imedi maqvs, sabolood Tqven mier naxsenebi problemac moixsneba, pikis saaTebSi daamateben avtobusebis raodenobas, rac moagvarebs am sakiTxs. problemuri sakiTxia parkingic, rac gamoiwvia rogorc qalaqis mosaxleobis erTbaSad matebam da misi sazRvrebis gafarToebam, ise moqalaqeTa keTildReobis zrdam, radgan sul ufro meti Cveni moqalaqe yidulobs manqanas da aqvs sakuTari avtomobiliT sargeblobis SesaZlebloba, vgulisxmob igive avtoteqmomsaxurebas Tu gaZvirebul benzins. . . anu amaRlda moqalaqeebis cxovrebis done. rac ar unda amtkicos opoziciam, rom `iRupeba qveyana~, faqtia, baTumelebi imaze ukeTesad cxovroben, vidre aTi wlis win. neba momeciT, ar davkonkretde sxva problemebze, eWvi ar SegeparoT, rom yvela viciT da vcdilobT Tanmimdevrulad mogvarebas. ukve or-sam weliwadSi arc is iqneba salaparako, razec axla aJiotaJs qmnian. qalaqi cocxali organizmia da cxadia, ar daileva problemebi, ubralod, unda SevZloT yvela maTganze drouli da efeqturi reagireba. imeds vitoveb, rom Zalian male, ara mxolod zamTarSi, zafxulis cxel, turistul sezonzec SevZlebT baTumSi komfortulad gadaadgilebas.
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