საბედისწერო შეცდომების სავალალო შედეგები. . .
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msoflioSi mimdinare movlenebma cxadyo, rom am samyaroSi araferi icvleba: omi, agresia, ekonomikuri eqspansia, eTnowmenda da mcocavi okupacia kvlav realobaa. ruseTis agresia ukrainisadmi TiTqmis yvela qveyanaSi poulobs gamoZaxils – mravali qveynis interesi kveTs erTmaneTs rogorc politikuri, ise ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT. amavdroulad, SesaZleblobebis fanjaras xsnis ruseTisgan distancirebis kuTxiT. ramdenad mosalodnelia somxeT-azerbaijanis istoriuli SeTanxmeba, ra Secdomebi dauSva Tavis droze dasavleTma da ras unda velodoT samomavlod? Dam da sxva sakiTxebze gvesaubreba politologi gela iremaZe.
– ra procesebi mimdinareobs samxreT kavkasiaSi?
– kavkasiaSi procesebi sainteresod viTardeba. SesaZloa, somxeTma da azerbaijanma istoriul SeTanxmebas miaRwion urTierTobis TvalsazrisiT, rac, garkveulwilad, kavkasiuri erTianobisken gadadgmuli mniSvnelovani nabiji iqneba. mkiTxvels Sevaxseneb, rom yarabaxis meore omamde ruseTis ukrainaSi SeWrasTan dakavSirebiT somxeTi ruseTis interesebs iTvaliswinebda da misi eimedeboda. yarabaxis meore omSi gancdilma marcxma da ruseTis Ralatma somxeTis politikuri elita miaxvedra, rom ruseTis ndoba ar SeiZleba. ra Tqma unda, amis aRqmam – ruseTis veragobam somxeTis elita mniSvnelovani gamowvevebis winaSe daayena. kremli somxeTis premier-ministrs opoziciis saxiT problemebs uqmnida, Tumca dasavleTis mxardaWeriT da arsebuli geopolitikuri realobis gaTvaliswinebiT (ruseTis gavlenebi Semcirda somxeTsa da azerbaijanSi), somxeTi azerbaijanTan SeTanxmebis miRwevas cdilobs, rac samxreTkavkasiis samive qveynisTvis (saqarTvelo, somxeTi, azerbaijani) mniSvnelovani faqtoria stabiluri garemos Sesaqmnelad, Tumca ar unda daviviwyoT ruseTi, romelic, cxadia, ewinaaRmdegeba am qveynebis keTildReobas da ganviTarebas.
– bolo dros samxreT kavkasiis regions eqspertebi ruseT- ukrianis omis WrilSi ganixilaven da amboben, rom evraziis kontinentze dawyebuli gadanawileba kavkasiasac Seexeba, ras fiqrobT?
– diax, ukraina ibrZvis saxelmwifoebriobis SenarCunebisTvis. ukve mesame welia omi mimdinareobs, ruseTma ver SeZlo ukrainis damorCileba, Tumca okupirebuli aqvs doneckis da luganskis regionebi. Tavis mxriv kievma ruseTis teritoriaze kurskis regionis okupacia moaxdina, ramac am oms sxva datvirTva misca. . . amaze sxva dros ufro detalurad visaubroT. rac Seexeba samxreT kavkasias, udavoa, rom azerbaijani, praqtikulad, regionSi liderad yalibdeba TurqeTis meoxebiT. somxeTi nel-nela cdilobs ruseTis orbitidan gasvlas da dasavleTis ZalisxmeviT azerbaijanTan SeTanxmebis miRwevas. arc Crdilo kavkasiaSia erTsulovneba ruseTTan mimarTebiT. sayovelTao mobilizaciam Crdilokavkasielebi aRaSfoTa. saqme imaSia, rom, umeteswilad, ukrainaSi ararusi mosaxleoba omobs da iRupeba, anu kremli maT sazarbazne xorcad iyenebs. amas kargad acnobiereben Crdilokavkasielebi. Sevaxseneb Tqvens mkiTxvels mniSvnelovan faqts: rodesac ukrainam kurskis regionze Sturmi daiwyo, kadirovis gvardia ar Caeba brZolaSi, mizezad daasaxeles, rom maTi elituri razmi ar unda monawileobdes aseT brZolebSi da a. S. zogierTma rusma propagandistma is moRalated gamoacxada. sxvaTa Soris, kadirovs sakuTari armia hyavs, daaxloebiT, 20 aTasi mebrZoliT. is Zalian cbieri politikosia. fiqrobs, Tu putini damarcxda ukrainaSi, an mmarTveloba dakarga, SesaZloa, misi ganadgurebac moindomon, mas CeCneTsa da kremlSi mtrebi hyavs. . .
– SesaZlebelia Tu ara erTiani kavkasiuri saxlis Seqmna, miT ufro, ruseTis daSlis SemTxvevaSi?
– ra Tqma unda, jerjerobiT, erTiani kavkasiuri saxlis Seqmna ararealuria, Tumca es sulac ar niSnavs, rom amaze ar unda vifiqroT. erTiani kavkasiuri politikis SemuSaveba yovelTvis iyo Cveni qveynis sagareo politikis ganmsazRvreli strategia. mogexsenebaT, svaneTs yaraCai-CerqezeTi da yabardo-balyareTi esazRvreba, raWas da xevs – oseTi, xevsureTs, TuSeTs da kaxeTs – inguSeTi, CeCneTi da daRestani, javaxeTs – somxeTi, qvemo qarTls – azerbaijani, anu Tavad geografiuli mdgomareoba gvaiZulebs, rom SevimuSaoT kavkasiuri strategia. imasac unda mivaqcioT yuradReba, rom msoflio politika dinamikuri gaxda. aravin uwyis, ra iqneba xuTi da, miT ufro, aTi wlis Semdeg. . .
– ras gulisxmobT?
– magaliTad, 35 wlis winaT veravin iwinaswarmetyvelebda sabWoTa kavSiris daSlas, magram sabWoTa kavSiri daiSala. arc baltiispireTis respublikebis natoSi gaerTianebas ivaraudebda vinme, Tumca es ukve faqtia. ase rom, Cveni qveyana yvelafrisTvis mzad unda iyos. sxvaTa Soris, eqsperti stanislav belkovski acxadebs, rom ruseTi droTa ganmavlobaSi daTmobs Crdilo kavkasias. amitom aqedanve unda daviwyoT fiqri da strategiis SemuSaveba saerTo kavkasiuri saxlis Sesaqmnelad, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, cariel adgils sxva aqtori daikavebs da kavkasielebs Cven winaaRmdeg ganawyobs. am mxriv yvelaze veragi ruseTia. man ise dayo da daqsaqsa kavkasia, rom SemdgomSi gaerTianebaze aravis efiqra. qarTulma mxarem am mimarTebiT konkretuli nabijebi unda gadadgas, daanaxos Crdilokavkasielebs ruseTis realuri saxe.
– am kuTxiT dasavleTi rogor SeiZleba dagvexmaros?
– rasakvirvelia, aravin ambobs, rom unda vaRiaroT CrdilokavkasielTa damoukidebloba, Tumca Cven dasavleTs unda avuxsnaT, rom ruseTi CrdilokavkasielTa rusifikacias cdilobs, aseve, regionSi sruli despoturi mmarTvelobaa damyarebuli. am mxriv Cveni mokavSireebi dasavleTSi CeCnuri da Cerqezuli diasporebi arian. rogorc cnobilia, Cvenma qveyanam aRiara CerqezTa genocidi, romelic caristulma ruseTma moawyo. . . garda amisa, qarTulma mxarem unda gaaneitralos rusuli propaganda. cnobilia, rom rusi Jurnalistebi saqarTvelos patara imperiad, mcire xalxTa mCagvrelad warmoaCenen, am diskursis Sesaqmnelad gamoiyenes separatistebi. . .
– rogorc cnobilia, Cvenma qveyanam da dasavleTmac garkveuli Secdomebi dauSves. . .
– ruseTis pirveli samizne saqarTvelo iyo, CeCneTisTvis ar ecala. kremlma gamoiyena saerTaSoriso viTareba, TavidaTavi is iyo, rom maSin dasavleTSi saqarTvelos kanonieri xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg dezinformaciuli manqana moqmedebda, TiTqos gansxvavebulad moazrovneebs sdevnidnen, amas daemata isic, rom 1991 wlis agvistoSi jorj buSma (ufrosi) gamsaxurdias urCia, dinebis winaaRmdeg ar wasuliyo, anu xeli moewera axali samokavSireo xelSekrulebisTvis. gamsaxurdias pasuxmac ar daayovna: `dinebas mxolod mkvdari Tevzebi mihyvebian!~ es imas niSnavda, rom gamsaxurdia dasavleTis da miT ufro ruseTis moTxovnebs ar daemorCileboda. Sedegmac ar daayovna, kremlis ZalisxmeviT da fsevdoopoziciis mxardaWeriT, gamsaxurdias xelisufleba daamxes. unda iTqvas, rom gamsaxurdias xelisuflebasac hqonda Secdomebi, ZiriTadad, sakadro politikaSi. uSecdomo aravinaa!
– rogorc amboben, am damxobis erT-erTi mizezi gamsaxurdias kavkasiuri politika iyo. . .
– diax, nawilobriv. swored gamsaxurdias ZalisxmeviT gaxda dudaevi CeCneTis prezidenti. garda amisa, dudaevis, isak aZoevis (inguSeTis erovnuli moZraobis erT-erTi lideri) da gamsaxurdias Zalisxmevis Sedegad kremlma ver SeZlo mTeli Crdilo kavkasiis dapirispireba saqarTvelosTan. arada, amas Zalian cdilobda. warmoidgineT, saqarTvelos rom CeCnebi, inguSebi, yabardoelebi da daRestnelebi dapirispirebodnen, rogori gamoZaxili eqneboda amas dasavleTSi? magram kremlma ver SeZlo zemoaRniSnuli miznis miRweva, radgan kavkasielebma kargad ician kavkasiis istoria, miT ufro inguSebma da CeCnebma. sayuradReboa zviad gamsaxurdias TanamebrZol medea TuSmaliSvilis gancxadeba: `zviad gamsaxurdia iyo is erTaderTi politikosi, romelmac TbilisSi Camosul prezidnt riCard niqsons uTxra: SemoiyvaneT kavkasiaSi natos jarebi da am urCxulisgan gadagvarCineT~.
– maSin, samwuxarod, dasavleTs CvenTvis ar ecala. . .
– imdroindeli politikuri viTarebidan gamomdinare, zviad gamsaxurdias xma darCa xmad mRaRadeblisa udabnosa Sina. . . am did mizans gamsaxurdiam sicocxle Seswira. misi mocilebis Semdeg kremls gauadvilda CeCneTis damorCileba. am mxriv rac unda ucnauri iyos, dasavleTs warmoadgenda CeCneTi, antidasavlur Zalas ki ruseTi, magram amis gaanalizeba aSS-s da evropas gauWirda, rusuli propaganda yovelmxriv cdilobda, suraTi ise warmoeCina, TiTqos ruseTi terorizms ebrZoda. samwuxarod, maSin CeCenTa nawili uneburad daexmara kremls da dasavleTic, romelic, ZiriTadad, balkaneTis problemiT iyo dakavebuli. 2008 wels Tu vinmes kidev eWvi epareboda ruseTis destruqciulobaSi, yirimis aneqsiam da amjerad, ukrainis winaaRmdeg Ria agresiam amas sabolood axada farda. yvela darwmunda, rom ruseTi agresori saxelmwifoa. amitom Tu ruseTis mimarT ar ganxorcieldeba zewola, maSin Tavsatexi Tavad natos wevr saxelmwifoebsac SeeqmnebaT.
– dabolos, ra unda moimoqmedos qarTulma mxarem qarTuli saxelmwifos gaZlierebisTvis?
– pirvel rigSi, saqarTvelo unda gaxdes ufro demokratiuli da ekonomikurad Zlieri qveyana, politikosebs Soris paeqroba unda iyos civiluri da argumentirebuli, gansxvavebuli azris pativiscema unda viswavloT, raTa afxazeTsa da cxinvalis regionSi mcxovrebma adamianebma da aseve Crdilokavkasielebma dainaxon gansxvaveba saqarTvelosa da ruseTs Soris, anu isini unda moixiblon Cveni tolerantobiT, stumarTmoyvareobiT da demokratiuli miRwevebiT, droTa ganmavlobaSi es nayofs aucileblad gamoiRebs.