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badri paqsaZe TxuTmeti welia, arasamTavrobo organizacia `mSvidobis qartias~ xelmZRvanelobs. saqmisadmi maRali pasuxismgeblobiT, SemarTebiTa da siyvaruliT gamorCeulma pirovnebam Tanamoazreebi Semoikriba da avtoritetic moipova. daCagrulis mxarSi dgoma, moqalaqeTa uflebebis dacva misi yoveldRiuri sazrunavia. Mmoqalaqeebs sjeraT, eimedebaT igi da xSiradac mimarTaven. dRes badri paqsaZe Cveni gazeTis stumaria.

– roca sarkeSi ixedebiT (pirdapiri da gadataniTi mniSvnelobiTac), vis xedavT?

– mSoblebis Segoneba mTeli cxovreba arasdros damviwyebia. maT Rirseba, patiosneba, rwmena, adamianoba, mamuliSviloba, erTguleba, samSoblos siyvaruli, adamianebis daxmareba, maTi erTguleba da Tanadgoma maswavles da arasodes gadamixvevia am gzidan. Mam aswavles, viyo Tavmdabali, magram ara Tavdaxrili. . . adamiani dReSi orjer mainc unda ixedebodes sakuTar sarkeSi. diliT rom vdgebi, veubnebi sakuTar Tavs, ra aris gasakeTebeli da ra unda gavakeTo, saRamos ki vekiTxebi – ris gakeTeba SevZeli, ra ver gavakeTe, yovelTvis vsayvedurob sakuTar mes, egos. . .

– mas Semdeg, rac Cveni gazeTis stumari iyaviT, didi dro gavida – TiTqmis mTeli pandemiis periodi. ra Seicvala Tqvens pirad da sazogadoebriv cxovrebaSi, ra siaxleebia?

– Cveni organizaciis saqmianobaSi yovelTvis aris siaxle, raRac mniSvnelovani, razedac mudmivad gviwevs fiqri. vcdilobT, gavaanalizoT, SevimuSaoT swori samoqmedo gegma. Aaseve, aucilebelia, yoveldRiurad fexi avuwyoT ganviTarebis, aRmSeneblobis Tanamedrove procesebs. Cven mxolod sakuTari SesaZleblobis farglebSi veweviT samoqalaqo-sazogadoebriv saqmianobas. es Cveni valdebulebaa, samoqalaqo valdebuleba. . . vcdilobT, vakeToT kargi saqme. . . amisTvis aravisgan arc Seqebas viTxovT da arc raime jildos. arasodes dagvviwyebia rom Cveni saqmianobis mtkice mizani iyo da aris: myari samoqalaqo sazogadoebis Camoyalibeba da ganviTareba; qveynisaTvis mTavar prioritetad mimaCnia ganaTlebisa da regionaluri ganviTarebis sakiTxis mudmivad wina planze wamoweva; aucilebelia moqalaqeTa samoqalaqo sazogadoebis TviTSegnebis amaRleba; umTavres sakiTxad gvesaxeba adamianis uflebebis dacva (erTis uflebebis dacviT ar unda irRveodes sxvaTa uflebebi); mniSvnelovania sxvadasxva religiur konfesias Soris urTierTpativiscema, tolerantoba da dialogis uzrunvelyofa; amave dros aucilebeli da mniSvnelovania – ekomigrant, usaxlkaroTa, usaxsrod darCenil ojaxTa, veteranebisa da xandazmulTa, bavSvTa da qalTa, genderul, socialurad daucvel ojaxTa, iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTa, mzrunvelobamoklebul bavSvTa uflebebis dacva da daxmareba; uwyvetad unda xorcieldebodes cxovrebis yvela sferoSi moqalaqeTa Tanasworuflebianobis, demokratiuli faseulobebis propaganda da maTi cxovrebaSi damkvidreba, sazogadoebaSi samarTliani garemos Seqmna; mudmivad mimdinareobdes monitoringi sazogadoebisaTvis saWirboroto sxvadasxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxze; mniSvnelovan rols unda asrulebdes saxalxo diplomatiis propagandis amoqmedeba eTnikur umciresobaTa regionebSi; qveynis ganviTarebisaTvis aucilebelia mosaxleobis socialur-ekonomikuri mdgomareobis gaumjobesebis xelSewyoba, magaliTad, ekonomikis erToblivi programebis SemuSavebaSi, soflis meurneobisa Tu turizmis ganviTarebaSi da a. S.

– rogorc uflebadamcvels da arasamTavrobo organizaciis damfuZnebels, am etapze, yvelaze metad ra migaCniaT sazrunavad?

– dRes vimyofebiT istoriul gzajvaredinze. qveynis gadarCenisaTvis aucilebelia, daisaxos swori, samarTliani gza, romelic migviyvans saboloo gamarjvebamde. aqedan gamomdinare, aucilebelia Tanxmoba saero konsolidaciis safuZvelze, unda dasruldes qveynis SigniT polarizacia, sazogadoebis politikuri niSniT dayofa. amasTan dakavSirebiT mniSvnelovania Ria samoqalaqo sazogadoeba, romlis mTavari idea iqneba: saxelmwifos da erovnuli TviTmyofadoba, politikur-sazogadoebrivi demokratiis damkvidreba da ganviTareba; politikuri revanSizmis aRmofxvra, romelic sawindari iqneba Taobebsa da jgufebs Soris… arsebuli dapirispirebebis SeCereba – morigebisa da maTi Cayenebisa qveynisa da sazogadoebis samsaxurSi; yuradReba unda daeTmos saxelmwifoSi demografiuli, socialur-ekonomikuri problemebis mogvarebas (ojaxebis ganviTarebis strategias); saxelmwifos upirobo prerogativad unda daisaxos kanonis uzenaesoba da samarTlianobis aRdgena; mniSvnelovania, teritoriuli mTlianobis aRsadgenad ekonomikuri urTierTobebisa da saxalxo diplomatiis amoqmedeba. samoqalaqo sazogadoeba – mSvidobis qartia sruliad damoukidebel organizacias. yovelTvis dgas mowodebis simaRleze. ar yofila da arc iqneba sateliti, mxare, arcerTi politikuri partiis, arc erTi xelisuflebis, kerZo pirTa Tu sxvaTa pirdapiri interesebis mxardamWeri da maTi principebis gamtarebeli.

amasTanave, organizaciis mizania, aqtiuri roli Seasrulos moqalaqeTa Tanasworuflebianobis, gamWvirvalobis, sajaroobis, demokratiuli faseulobebis damkvidrebis TvalsazrisiT. . .

Cvens saqmianobas laitmotivad gasdevs kritika da TviTkritika. mizani erTia – kargi gakeTebuli saqmis saTanadod warmoCena, rac sazogadoebasTan harmoniulad aris SekavSirebul-SeTanxmebuli, meore mxriv, gamovaaSkaraoT yvela gadacdoma, rac Seusabamoa da miuRebelia sazogadod. amasTan dakavSirebiT, saqmis aqtiurad warmarTvisaTvis miznad visaxavT sazogadoebis aqtiuri nawilis, moxaliseTa da studenti axalgazrdobis maqsimalur CarTvas, romlebic mzad iqnebian, gaswion swori propaganda samoqalaqo sazogadoebis gaerTianebis, ganviTarebis, maTi TviTSegnebis amaRlebis mizniT. . . amrigad, `mSvidobis qartia~ gaagrZelebs im sazogadoebriv organizaciebTan TanamSromlobas, romlebic dganan samarTlianobis gzaze da principulad icaven samoqalaqo sazogadoebriv interesebs.

– adamianis uflebebis dacvis kuTxiT Catarebul muSaobaze ra SegiZliaT gviTxraT?

– aris adamianTa uflebebis yovelmxrivi dacvis uwyveti procesi, ra Tqma unda, sruli pasuxismgebloba mainc saxelmwifos ekisreba. Cveni mizania, xeli SevuwyoT moqalaqeTa Tanasworuflebianobasa da tolerantobas; aseve, samarTlianad migvaCnia, mudmivad mimdinareobdes monitoringi sazogadoebisaTvis sxvadasxva saWirboroto da mniSvnelovan sakiTxebTan dakavSirebiT. . . qveyanaSi mudmivad yuradsaRebia saxalxo diplomatiis programebis amoqmedebis sakiTxi eTnikur umciresobaTa regionebSi, rac aris sawindari urTierTSoris pativiscemis, xalaxTa Zmobis, erTianobis, monoliTurobis. . . rac ganapirobebs demokratiuli faseulobebis propagandas da mis samoqalaqo cxovrebaSi damkvidrebas, anu sazogadoebaSi samarTliani garemos Seqmnas, ndobis amaRlebas, aqtiur sazogadoebriv pasuxismgeblobas erovnuli konsolidaciis gamtkicebisa da xelSewyobisaTvis, rom sazogadoebis daxleCa-dayofa, Tundac politikuri niSnis mixedviT, mTlianobaSi azianebs saxelmwifoebriv interesebs, amiT mtris wisqvilze vasxamT wyals. Aaseve, srulad vuWerT mxars jansaR gansxvavebul azrovnebas, sityvis srul Tavisuflebas, magram es ar unda iqnas gamoyenebuli raRac gaurkveveli politikuri Tu sxvaTa interesebisaTvis, ar unda moxdes misi daSveba antisaxelmwifoebriv formebSi. mniSvnelovania samoqalaqo-sazogadoebrivi azrovnebis swori xedva, simarTlis da samarTlianobis damkvidreba yvelgan da yovelTvis, raTa samarTlianobis gzaze amaRldes samoqalaqo sazogadoebis pasuxismgebloba da TviTSegneba yvela doneze. TiToeulma moqalaqem Tavad unda gaacnobieros moqalaqeobrivi pasuxismgebloba da ar iyos pasiuri saerTo gadawyvetilebebis miRebis dros, Tundac arCevnebis dros. dRes veravin veravis aukrZalavs da verc daavaldebulebs verafers, erTi sityviT, Cveni saqme Cven unda gavakeToT. nihilizmi erovnul paTologiad ar unda Camoyalibdes da ar unda iqces ukurnebel senad. amiT Cveni sazogadoeba scodavs, mere ki gvikvirs, ratom aris ise, rogorc ar mogvwons. . .

– ukve karga xania uflebadamcvelis funqcias asrulebT, wina wlebisa da axlandel viTarebas Tu SevadarebT, ra SegviZlia vTqvaT?

– problemebi mudmivad aris, upirvelesi da aucilebelia samarTlianoba da simarTle. mniSvnelovania moqalaqeebis gverdiT dgoma da erTguleba, isini amas ufro metad afaseben. Tavad moqalaqeebma kargad ician, vin vin aris, visi ndoba SeiZleba da visi – ara, es aris mTavari faqtori, ganmsazRvreli arasamTavrobo organizaciebis saqmianobaSi. Cveni valdebulebaa, davarwmunoT moqalaqeebi, Tavad gaxdnen aqtiuri mebrZolni samarTlianobis, sazogadoebis keTildReobis da ganviTarebis, qveynis momavlis aRmSeneblobis gzaze. mudmivad vuwyobT xels, Seiqmnas da gaZlierdes demokratiul principebze damyarebuli Ria, samoqalaqo sazogadoeba, romelic iqneba momavalze orientirebuli. dasruldes erovnuli uTanxmoeba, sazogadoebis daxleCa-danawevreba, rac dRes yovlad uideo, uprincipo, qveynis SigniT radikaluri Zalebis wyalobiTaa inspirirebuli da Zirs uTxris sazogadoebis erTianobas, qveynis siZlieres. aucilebelia samoqalaqo sazogadoebis doneze erovnuli TviTSegnebis amaRleba.

– rogor fiqrobT, adamianis uflebebi rom iyos daculi, upirvelesad, savaldebulod ra migaCniaT, garda uflebadamcvelebisa, vin da rogor unda izrunos amisTvis, realurad ra saxis proeqti unda ganxorcieldes da rogori suraTia am mxriv aWaraSi?

– uflebadamcvelma organizaciebma xeli unda Seuwyon adgilobrivi samoqalaqo sazogadoebis TviTSegnebis amaRlebas, regionis municipalitetebis mixedviT unda gamovavlinoT yvela doneze arsebuli naklovanebebi, Sesabamisad, davsaxoT gzebi maT aRmosafxvrelad da avamaRloT xalxis ndobis faqtori. unda vebrZoloT arsebul problemebs da mankier mxareebs, arakompetenturobas, araprofesionalizms, nepotizmsa da sxva.

socialur-ekonomikuri mimarTulebebi srulad unda iyos morgebuli TiToeul moqalaqeze ara privilegiebis mixedviT, aramed yvelas unda mieces sikeTis miRebis SesaZlebloba. soflis meurneobis da qveynis ekonomikuri ganviTareba unda gaxdes Cveni xalxisa da qveynis diadi momavlis safuZvelTa safuZveli. amisaTvis srulfasovnad unda ganxorcieldes mcire samewarmeo da regionaluri ganviTarebis proeqtebi… ukeTesia, arsebobdes saxelmwifo banki, romelic uzrunvelyofs mosaxleobisaTvis mcireprocentiani sesxebis gacemas. saxelmwifosa da misi xelisuflebis warmateba dakavSirebulia swor, gamWvirvale sakadro sistemis SeqmnasTan.

marTalia, „qarTuli ocnebis“ xelisuflebam Tavis droze garkveul sferoebSi fundamenturad Secvala viTareba, magram araa sakmarisi. Casafrebis politika araa Cveni mizani. Cveni mizania, realurad SevafasoT qveyanaSi arsebuli naklovanebebi, Secdomebi da gamovitanoT saaSkaraoze. principulad vidgeT simarTlisa da samarTlianobis mxareze, aqtiurad CaverToT qveynisa da sazogadoebis ganviTarebis yvela procesSi. samwuxarod, yofiTma cxovrebam da problemebma sazogadoebaSi boRma, SuRli, Suri, gautanloba da gulgruloba warmoSva. Cvenda sabednierod, dRemde SemogvrCnen kargi da misabaZi adamianebi, romlebic gamoirCevian TavianTi saqmiT, yofiT, qceviT Tu moraliT. saWiroa sazogadoebisaTvis maTi gacnoba da CarTva sazogadoebriv saqmianobaSi. swored, maTTan erTad gaxdeba brZola SesaZlebeli ganviTarebisa da samarTlianobis gzaze. Tanamedrove sazogadoebaSi gaufasurebulia kacobriobis mTavari Rirebulebebi, rogoricaa: patriotizmi, erovnuloba, kultura, tradicia, sindisi, morali, tolerantoba, mimtevevloba, TanagrZnoba, gageba da a. S. aucilebelia, civilizaciidan miviRoT da SevinarCunoT kargi da gamosadegi. Tavisufali cxovreba ar niSnavs garyvnilebasa da znedacemulobas; adamiani RirsebiT, maRalzneobrivi TvisebebiT unda gamoirCeodes. . .

– sazogadoebasTan kontaqts rogor axorcielebT, ra saxis Sexvedrebs marTavT, wamoWril problemebze rogor reagirebT?

– pirveli isaa, rom gamosavali Cveni moqalaqeebis swor xedvaSia. organizaciuli Sexvedrebi iyo da aris orientirebuli mmarTvelobis swor principebze. dRes Cveni qveyana dgas garedan Tavsmoxveuli Tu SigniT arsebuli mravali problemisa da gamowvevis winaSe. isic gasagebia, erTi xelis mosmiT SeuZlebelia yvelafris mogvareba, Tumca aucilebelia, saxelmwifos politika iyos mudmivad Tanmimdevruli, moqnili, moqalaqeebze zustad gaTvlili da morgebuli. Tundac dRevandel situacias gadavxedoT, TbilisSi, parlamentis Senobis win mimdinare saprotesto aqciebize iTxoven, ukan gaiwvion e.w. rusuli kanoni. xelisuflebas gadawyvetili aqvs nebismier fasad miiRos es kanoni. Aaseve, sargeblobs imiT, rom dasavleTs ar scalia arsebuli Sida problemebisa da moaxloebuli arCevnebis gamo. ratomac ara, mxars vuWer parlamentis mier `gamWvirvalobis~ kanonis damtkicebas. ratom ar unda icodes qveynis mosaxleobam, vin afinansebs, ras xmardeba es fuli, ra saqmianobas ewevian am TanxebiT da a. S. daaxloebiT 85-90 % dafinanseba modis im tipis adamianebsa da organizaciebze, romlebic pirdapir ewevian antierovnul, antiqarTul, antisamarTlebriv, antisapatriarqo, qarTveli kacis Rirsebis Semryvnel, uzneobis propagandas da swored es jgufebi arian romlebic pirdapir finansdebian dasavleTidan da arian maTi mxardaWerili. gaugebaria, visi qveynis interesebs icaven da ra zians ayeneben saqarTvelos. Tu keTil saqmes akeTeben, misasalmebelia da dasafaric araferi aqvT.

rac Seexeba dasavleTTan TanamSromlobas, mxolod da mxolod Tanasworuflebianobis, Cveni erovnuli identobis, Cveni saxelmwifo suverenitetisa da damoukideblobis dacvis farglebSi da ara kubiliusis, fotigasa Tu aSS – is 17 kongresmenis da sxvaTa reaqciuli wreebis mier SeTiTxnil, vasaluri damokidebulebis CarCoebSi.

Tu Cven principulad davdgebiT, viqnebiT Tavaweuli da amayi eri da aranair monur morCilebaSi ar aRmovCndebiT.

dasavleTs dRes ise vWirdebiT, rogorc arasdros. Cven varT evropisTvis CineTTan da indoeTTan damakavSirebeli WiSkari. iZulebulni arian, aRiaron Cveni erovnuli faseulobebi, saxelmwifoebrivi suvereniteti da damoukidebloba.

– rogor fiqrobT, dros fexs uwyobT? Tanamedrove teqnologia da cifruli siaxleebi ramdenad gexmarebaT muSaobaSi?

– ra Tqma unda, teqnologia da cifruli siaxleebi Tanamedroveobis gamowvevaa. adamians mudmivad aqvT sakuTari emociebi da gancdebi. dRevandel msoflioSi elviseburi siswrafiT mimdinareobs socialuri, ekonomikuri, politikuri cvlilebebi, rac dakavSirebulia mecnierebisa da teqnologiebis swraf ganviTarebasTan. dRevandeli msoflio wesrigi aRaraa iseTi, 10, 50 Tu 100 wlis winaT rom iyo, yoveldRiurad icvleba msoflio politikuri mdgomareoba da aseT viTarebaSi ar unda viyoT susti rgoli. Tanamedrove globalizmi did gavlenas axdens sakacobrio cnobierebaze… Tu gvinda Tanamedrove msoflioSi davimkvidroT Cveni adgili, gvmarTebs sifxizle, pasuxismgebloba; Zalian Sors unda vixedebodeT, sworad vafasebdeT movlenebs da vatarebdeT droul da moqnil politikas. dRes politikanoba aris damRupveli. unda viswrafodeT, SeviZinoT meti megobari da ara mtrebi. xelisuflebas ar aqvs Secdomis daSvebis ufleba. Secdomaa TviTkmayofilebis grZnoba, rac TviTmkvlelobis tolfasia. qveynis ganviTarebis safuZvelTa safuZvelia Tanasworuflebianoba da samarTlianobis damkvidreba. qveyanas unda marTavdnen Zlieri saxelmwifo institutebi.

– baTumis Tanamedrove ganaSenianeba da moqalaqeTa manqanebiT Caxergili ezoebi ramdenad usafrTxoa? Tqven, rogorc uflebadamcveli, rogor reagirebT am realobaze?

– baTumi ulamazesi da diadi qalaqia Tavisi warsuliT, awmyoTi da momavliT, baTumelebi ki uTbilesi da usayvarlesi adamianebi arian. baTumis merias bevri aqvs sazrunavi. Tundac manqanebiT Caxergili ezoebi da quCebi aris dRevandelobis gamowveva. baTumis meriis valdebulebaa, eZios gamosavali – Tu rogor SeiZleba ganitvirTos ezoebi Caxergili manqanebisagan. problema is aris, rom mravalsarTulian Senobebs iSviaTad aqvs saparkinge adgili, zogierT quCas Tu ubans safexmavlo bilikic ar gaaCnia (mag.: qeTevan wamebulis quCaze da arcerT CixSi ar aris safexmavlo biliki, es xom meriis uyuradRebobiTaa gamowveuli).

– im samomavlo proeqtebsa da RonisZiebebze mogviTxreT, adamianis uflebebis dacvis gaumjobesebisTvis rom isaxavT miznad?

– qveyanaSi politikuri mmarTvelobis avtokratiuli mmarTveloba unda Seicvalos mmarTvelobis demokratiuli formiT. amisaTvis, konstituciurad, Zalaufleba da, pirvel rigSi, referendumiT kanonis miRebisa da gauqmebis ufleba unda davibrunoT, romelic konstituciiT miniWebuli gvqonda, magram dRes dablokilia. roca Zalaufleba gadava moqalaqeebis xelSi, roca xalxs eqneba parlamentis daTxovnis ufleba, parlamentidan deputatis gamowvevis, qveynisa da sazogadoebisaTvis aucilebeli kanonis miRebisa da gauqmebis uflebebi, maSin arcerT partias aRar dasWirdeba brZola parlamentSi umravlesobis mosapoveblad, radganac umoqmedo, usargeblo, antisaxalxo parlaments TviTon sazogadoeba gamoutans ganaCens da swored moqalaqeebis ndobiT aRWurvil pirebs miecemaT parlamentSi Sesvlisa SesaZlebloba, imaT, visac ar eqneba aravis winaSe valdebuleba, garda moqalaqeebisa da sakuTari amomrCevlisa.

aseve, kanonproeqtebze dayrdnobiT, uSualod referendumiT unda miiRebodes kanonebi im problemebTan dakavSirebiT, romlebic mosaxleobis did fenebs gansakuTrebiT aRelvebs da romelTa ganxorcieleba savaldebulo iqneba nebismieri xelisuflebis pirobebSi. umTavresia, moqalaqeebma sworad gaiazron, gaigon, rom saqarTvelos demokratiul respublikaSi Zalaufleba xalxisaa da man Tavisi neba legitimurad, kanonierad, politikurad da samarTlebrivad unda gamoxatos da daafiqsiros. referendumi ufro maRali legitimaciis mqonea, vidre xelisuflebis da parlamentis mier miRebuli kanonebi. igi iZleva xalxis Zalauflebis ganxorcielebisaTvis farTo SesaZleblobebs xalxis politikuri nebis legitimurad gamosaxatavad, rac dRes saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs ar gaaCniaT. dRemde arcerT xelisufals ar ufiqria, Seitanos konstituciaSi cvlileba da moxsnas blokireba referendumiT kanonis miRebisa da gauqmebis uflebaze, rac erTmniSvnelovnad xels Seuwyobs arsebuli sakanonmdeblo aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis efeqtur muSaobas da socialuri, ekonomikuri da samarTlebrivi krizisebis daZlevas. demokratiis ganviTareba qveyanaSi aqtiuri moqalaqeebis arsebobasTan pirdapir kavSirSia – rac ufro meti moqalaqe monawileobs demokratiul procesebSi, miT ufro gazrdili pasuxismgeblobiT ekideba qveynis marTvas xelisufleba. Sesabamisad, moqalaqec erTgvar moralur valdebulebas da pasuxismgeblobas iRebs, maqsimalurad gamoiyenos konstituciiT, kanoniT miniWebuli SesaZleblobebi da aqtiurad CaerTos saxelmwifos an Tundac, sakuTari qalaqisa da municipalitetebis marTvaSi. demokratia, rogorc `xalxis mmarTvelobis~ forma, uSualo da warmomadgenlobiTi formebiT xorcieldeba. rogorc wesi, demokratiul saxelmwifoebSi gansakuTrebulad saWirboroto sakiTxebi referendumis gziT wydeba, romelic xalxis Zalauflebis ganxorcielebis formaa, – es aris saerTo saxalxo gamokiTxva kenWisyriT da gansakuTrebiT mniSvnelovania saxelmwifoebrivi sakiTxebis sabolood gadasawyvetad.

– urTierToba sxva regionebis arasamTavroboebTan, gamocdileba, romelic gauziareT da Tavad gaaziareT?

– mudmivad gvqonia da gvaqvs sxva regionebis arasamTavrobo organizaciebTan urTierTobebi. jer kidev wlebis win CarTuli viyaviT samoqalaqo sazogadoebis regionalur qselSi da vmonawileobT regionalur aqtivobebsa da dagegmil RonisZiebebSi, rogoric iyo, magaliTad: kampania „sufTa haeri, usafrTxo moZraoba“ (sagzao usafrTxoebis Sesaxeb, sazogadoebaSi cnobierebis amaRlebis Temaze); `sidas~ organizebiT imarTeboda Tbilisisa da regionaluri arasamTavrobo organizaciebis samuSao Sexvedrebi: „evrokavSirTan Rrma da yovlismomcveli Tavisafali savaWro sivrcis Sesaxeb SeTanxmeba da samoqalaqo sazogadoebis roli misi ganxorcielebis procesebSi“; mravalindikatoruli klasteruli kvleva ; CarTulebi viyaviT treningebSi marTlmsajulebis sakiTxebze da a. S., romlebsac saqarTvelos 10 regionSi im dros samoqalaqo ganviTarebis saagento (sida) axorcielebda samoqalaqo sazogadoebis qselis wevr organizaciebTan erTad, evrokavSiris qveynebTan uvizo mimosvlis Sesaxeb regionaluri sainformacio kampaniis `evropasaxlia~ farglebSi. organizaciam megobrobis xidi `qarTlosi~ evroregionaluri universitetis bazaze sainformacio Sexvedrebi Caatara.
kampania gaimarTa evropul da evroatlantikur struqturebSi integraciis sakiTxebSi saqarTvelos saxelmwifo ministris aparatTan da sainformacio centrTan natosa da evrokavSiris Sesaxeb partniorobiT.
vmonawileobdiT peticiis sakiTxebTan dakavSirebiT , romelic warmoadgenda/warmoadgens samTavrobo portals (peticiisaTvis saWiroa 10 aTasi xelmomweris Tanxmoba). aseve yuradsaRebi aris sakiTxi, romelic exeba ekomigrantebs, maT adaptacias da xelSewyobas axal sacxovrebel adgilebSi, kerZod, ninowmindasa da walkis municipalitetebSi. rogorc yovelTvis, migvaCnia, rom ekomigrantebis sakiTxis gadaWra pirdapirproporciulia. qveynis stabilurobisa da ganviTarebis pirdapirproporciulia. aseve, aRsaniSnavia is, rom samoqalaqo ganviTarebis saagento `sidas~ meSveobiT dafinansda samcxe-javaxeTis regionSi, ninowmindis municipalitetis gorelovkis sakrebuloSi mcxovrebi emigrantebis miniproeqtebi soflis meurneobis mimarTulebiT, romlebic xels uwyobs ekomigrantTa integracias javaxeTis regionSi. aRsaniSnavia, rom samcxe-javaxeTSi moqmedi arasamTavrobo organizacia „mSvidobis qartia“ 2014 wlidan eweva aqtiur saqmianobas ekomigrantebis problemebis mosagvareblad, didi wvlili miuZRvis ganaTlebisa da sxvadasxva eTnosis mqoneTa integraciis xelSewyobaze. Aaseve, unda aRiniSnos, rom swored organizacia „mSvidobis qartiis“, misi Tavmjdomaris – badri WeliZis xelmZRvanelobiT, samoqalaqo ganviTarebis saagentos `sidas~ TanadgomiT gaxda SesaZlebeli ninowmindaSi, kerZod, sofel gorelovkis skolaSi gaxsniliyo pirveli qarTuli saswavlo seqtori, aSenda sportuli darbazi da a. S. miuxedavad amisa, ekomigrantebTan dakavSirebiT aris mTeli rigi problemebi, romlebic dRemde rCeba mougvarebeli, rac ukavSirdeba rogorc arasworad, usamarTlod Catarebul miwis reformebs, aseve, sxva dRemde mougvarebel sakiTxebs, ramac ise iCina Tavi, rom 2010 wlidan dRemde gorelovkaSi Casaxlebuli ekomigrantebis 62-ma ojaxma miatova iqauri sacxovrebeli da ukumigrirda, rac iqaur mZime, usamarTlo da gausaZlis garemoebebze miuTiTebs.

– axla rom cxovrebis gzis dasawyisSi iyoT, ra gzas airCevdiT?

– rom davibade, RmerTma marguna sakuTari savali biliki da gza, aRmarTic da daRmarTic, es yvelaferi uflis neba da uflis zRvaria. . . Tundac cxovrebis gzis dasawyisSi aRmovCnde, imave gzas davadgebi. es aris Cemi gza, Cemi bediswera, Cemi warsuli, awmyo da momavali. es aris gza Cemi rwmenis, Cemi siwmindis, Rirsebis, sicocxlisa da siyvarulis. . .

– sityva, romliTac sasurvelia dRe daviwyoT. . . Tavad Tqven, dilas ra sityviT egebebiT?

– dila mSvidobisa! mSvidobas vusurveb bers, ers, sruliad saqarTvelos. . . dideba yovlisSemZle ufals!