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mariam mebuke did literaturaSi pirvel nabijebs dgams da warmatebiTac. internetsivrceSi gamoqveynebulma da literaturul Jurnal „pirvel sxivSi“ dabeWdilma misma leqsebma mkiTxvelis yuradReba miipyro. da mainc, ra gamoarCevs am axalgazrda kalmosans TanatolTagan, ratom moviwvieT gulaxdili saubrisTvis? am kiTxvebze pasuxebs interviuSi ipoviT.
– warmogvidgineT sakuTari Tavi, vin aris da ra surs leqsebis avtors?
– msgavs kiTxvebze pasuxis gacema miWirs. mxolod imas vityvi, rom mariam mebukes uyvars mxatvruli literatura da xandaxan zurgCanTiTac daaqvs, gzaSi sakiTxavad, wignebi. megobrebi benJamin batons eZaxian, Tumca amis miuxedavad, ver pataravdeba da verc bavSvobas ibrunebs. mixaria, Tu Cemi leqsebi vinmes yuradRebas iqcevs. vcdilob, survilebi da azrebi SesaZleblobebis pirdapirproporciuli iyos da Sesabamisad, rogorc `leqsebis avtors~, maqvs survili, im emociis gadmocema SevZlo, rasac werisas ganvicdi.
– Tqveni literaturuli Taoba – ra gamogarCevT, ras sTavazobs mkiTxvels `sulis purad~?
– yvela Taobas hqonda Tavisi wili Sansi, `SeuZlebeli ecada~. zogadad, adamianebs SeuZleblis miRwevis mcdelobebi gvaqcevs imad, vinc varT. Cvenc vecdebiT, magram SevZlebT Tu ara raimes, es mere gamoCndeba. ase moxda im Taobis SemTxvevaSic, `dakarguli~ rom davarqviT, ase xdeboda sul. ar arsebobs epoqa, romelSic raRac moZraoba mainc ar SeiniSneboda. marTalia, adamianebs cecxls veRar mivutanT, eg dagvaswres, magram SeiZleba movutanoT axali xedva, azrovneba, rac, imedia, Cans kidec Cvens nawerebSi. ar vici, `sulis purad~ mkiTxvelisTvis raimes SeTavazeba SegviZlia Tu ara magram visac dasWirdeba, aucileblad `mivutanT wyals~, amis mjera.
– literaturul TamaSSi – `gaileqse~ miiReT monawileoba. gviambeT amis Sesaxeb . . .
– erTma adamianma, romelsac literatura Zlier uyvars, gadawyvita, `gaileqse~ Seeqmna, sadac Tanamedrove, ucnobi da yvelasTvis cnobili avtorebis leqsebi gaaerTiana. am CamonaTvalSi mec aRmovCndi. cxadia, gansakuTrebulad mixaria am TamaSis nawilad sakuTari Tavis aRqma da isic, rom mkiTxvels Sansi aqvs, gaicnos is avtorebi, romelTa Sesaxebac aqamde naklebad smenia.
– Tqveni leqsebi literaturul almanaxSi `pirveli sxivi~ daibeWda. rogor Sexvda mas mkiTxveli?
– ucnauria, Tumca, rogorc wesi, Cemi leqsebis dabeWdvis ambavs an megobari avtorebisgan vigeb, an Tavad SemTxveviT wavawydebi xolme. axlac moulodnelad aRmovCndi am literaturul almanaxSi, risTvisac didi madloba giorgi lobJaniZes. rac Seexeba uSualod kiTxvas, imis Tqma, rom mkiTxvelTa azri Cemamde yovelTvis modis, araswori iqneba. ise ki, sasiamovnoa, roca Sens leqsebs kiTxuloben. individualizmi cudi arasdrosaa, miT ufro, poeziaSi. mosTxovo mkiTxvels, Seni saTqmeli gaigos, marTebuli sulac ar mgonia.
– ra azris xarT Tanamedrove konkursebze, festivalebze?
– CemTvis konkursebi aqamde arasdros yofila arc gamowveva da arc raimes warmoCenis SesaZlebloba. miuxedavad amisa, festivalebisa Tu konkursebis sawinaaRmdego araferi maqvs, miT ufro maSin, roca vTvli, rom Tanamedrove avtorebs sWirdebaT Sesabamisi yuradReba. is, rom aq da axla wer, ar niSnavs, rom aucilebelia gaqre, daikargo da saukunis mere viRacis Taroze SemTxveviT aRmoCndes Seni wigni.
– `warmovidgine qristes jvarcma, rogorc qalis, Cemi megobris, lamazi iyo. melaparaka, mkvdar futkrebze, mkvdar yvavilebze, cota masze melaparaka~. . . axla prozaulad ganagrZeT es leqsi.
– prozis wera ar micdia, albaT, axla amis gagrZelebac araswori iqneba. am leqsiT ki ukve vTqvi is, risi Tqmac mindoda.
– STagonebis wyaro, gancda, romelic realobisa da gamonagonis Serwymisas geuflebaT?
– rogorc unda vatyuo sakuTari Tavi, rom raRac ar gamomicdia da masze wera `teqnikurad~ SevZeli, an rogorc unda surdeT amis dajereba adamianebs, araferia gamogonili (meri Selis mere eg TavisTavad rTulia). sxva SemTxvevaSi, weras arc azri eqneba da arc Sedegi. realobaa is, raSi cxovrebac miwevs da bevri gagebiT, msiamovnebs kidec. ar mgonia, meocnebeoba iyos weris aucilebeli piroba, miT ufro maSin, roca bukovski da henri mileri arseboben. . .
– rogor xar? am SekiTxvis dasma uyvarT adamianebs, Tqven?
– arc am SekiTxvis dasma da arc masze pasuxis gacema miyvars. es kiTxva gulwrfeli iSviaTadaa da mxolod raime viTarebas azustebs. Cveulebriv, kargad myof adamians ar ekiTxebian, rogoraa. Tu am kiTxvas seriozulad vsvamT, ese igi, vfiqrobT, rom kiTxvis adresats raRac uCveulo an tragikuli sWirs da avtomaturad unda Segvecodos. maT, vinc gvecodeba, Tanasworad veRarasdros aRviqvamT. kargad myof adamianebs ki, roca atyoben, rom isini kargad arian, amas arasdros ekiTxebian, radgan sxvisi sixarulis gaziarebis gveSinia. es arc mowodebaa da arc raimes Secvlis mcdeloba, Cemi azria, romelic SeiZleba bevrma arasworad aRiqvas. miuxedavad amisa, konteqsti mniSvnelovania.
– mogviyeviT, sad da rogor swavlobT. . .
– 2023 wels Cavabare Tavisufal universitetSi marTvisa da sazogadoebrivi mecnierebebis programaze da pirvel kursze var. miuxedavad bevri dabrkolebisa, swavlis procesi CemTvis ormagad sainteresoa garemos, leqtorebisa da im adamianebis gamo, romlebsac megobrebad vTvli. roca saqme `codna, Sroma, Tavisuflebas~ exeba da metic, esaa am universitetisTvis gadamwyveti mniSvnelobis, miwevs, Sesabamisi codnac davagrovo, viSromo kidec da Tavisuflebas ase mivaRwio.

– cifruli samyaro da Tqven. . . Tqveni cifruli oreulis atvirTvas isurvebdiT internetSi?
– rac meti dro gadis da raRacebi Cem garSemo icvleba, TandaTan ufro trivialurad meCveneba socialuri platformebi. nakleb dros vatareb, rogorc wesi, am sivrceSi. es ar gamoricxavs, rom cifruli „samyaros“ idea CemTvis ucxoa. oreuls rac Seexeba, Tu Cemnairi unda iyos, ar Rirs, arc sakuTari TavisTvis da albaT, arc maTTvis, vinc micnobs.
– roca marto rCebiT, ra aris Tqveni fiqris sagani?
– roca marto vrCebi da arc ise iSviaTad vrCebi marto, raime konkretuli, razec mefiqreba, ar arsebobs. Cems fiqrebs arc forma aqvs, arc agregatuli mdgomareoba da arc sinaTlis siCqare. ase uformoebs, usaxeloebs xan vebrZvi, xan viReb, rogorc mocemulobas. oTar WilaZe wers, rom fiqris uflebaa yvelaze Zviri. rac mTavaria, fiqris ufleba maqvs, danarCeni naklebad mniSvnelovania, radgan zogjer SeiZleba sakuTarma fiqrma ise SemaSinos an amaRelvos, rom karga xans ver davubrunde realobas.
– Tqvens saukeTeso Tvisebad ras TvliT?
– warmodgena ar maqvs, ra SeiZleba iyos Cemi araTu saukeTeso, aramed kargi Tviseba. Cveni sazogadoeba ararsebuli cnebebis erTgulia, yvelafers iseT saxels arqmevs, rogoric konkretul wesrigs, „kanons“ Seesabameba, magram Tu gaviazrebT, rom kanonebi maTematikaSi ufro gamosadegia, mivxvdebiT, raRacebi sworxazovnad `swori da kargi~, raRacebi ki `araswori da miuRebeli“ ver iqneba. mainc, Tavisuflebis siyvaruli mgonia is, rac macocxlebs da unari, vwero, gadavrCe.
– sayvareli mwerali, poeti. . .
– am kiTxvas bevri mizezis gamo ver vupasuxeb, pirvel rigSi, imitom, rom Cemi Sexedulebebi xSirad icvleba. SeiZleba aRmovaCino axali avtori, romelmac sxva ram damanaxos, is, rac cxovrebis im konkretul etapze mniSvnelovania. mxolod is vici, rom gamorCeuli avtorebi cxovroben dRes, Tundac Cem garSemo da mixaria maTi kiTxva. amas saxelis darqmeva ar sWirdeba. SeiZleba, momewonos erTi fraza da am frazam raRac sruliad Secvalos.
– samagido wigni?
– imaves gipasuxebT am kiTxvazec. arCevanis gakeTeba arasdros yofila Cemi Zlieri mxare, miT ufro maSin, roca saqme wignebs, maT gansakuTrebulobaze saubars exeba. antikur berZnul literaturaSi Tavisuflebis iseTi gageba SemogvTavazes, sadac `raRac avirCie~ ar arsebobs. mec maTi ideebis erTguli vrCebi.
– yvelaze bednieri sad da rodis xarT?
– warmodgena ar maqvs, bedniereba rogoria. Cveulebriv, raRacebi gvixaria, Tumca am sixarulsac aqvs raRac `vada~. erT leqsSi wers paata Samugia, roca kargad var, ubedurebis mizezs veZeb imisTvis, rom vweroo. mec sadRac aq var. bednieri var maSin, roca vwer, rac paradoqsulad, ubedurebacaa.
– dabolos, dasviT kiTxva, romelzec pasuxs aucileblad miiCnevT. . .
– konstantinos kavafisi Tavis leqsSi „barbarosebis molodinSi“ wers, rom roca gaqreba raRacis gasamarTlebeli mizezi, adamianebi svamen kiTxvas: `axla raRa vqnaT?~. . . Cemi kiTxvac, pirvel rigSi, sakuTar TavTan ase JRers: `mariam, axla raRa vqnaT?~