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ruseT-aSS-is bolodroindelma molaparakebebma ruseT-ukrainis omTan mimarTebiT mravali kiTxva gaaCina, maT Soris umTavresia, realurad surs Tu ara ruseTs omis dasruleba samarTliani mSvidobis pirobebiT. Aamas, cxadia, momavali gviCvenebs. arsebulma realobam cxadyo, rom putinis ruseTi angrevs msoflio wesrigs (meore msoflio omis Semdeg rom Camoyalibda) da safrTxes uqmnis qveynebis suverenitets. am mxriv, pirveli msxverpli saqarTvelo, moldova da ukrainaa. eqspertTa azriT, swored ukrainaSi itesteba dRevandeli msoflios geopolitikuri sistemis mdgradoba. am konteqstSi unda ganvixiloT aSS-ukrainis da aSS-ruseTis konsultaciebi omis dasrulebasTan dakavSirebiT. swored es omi ganapirobebs evropis da miT umetes, postsabWoTa qveynebis momavals. . . am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze gvesaubreba bsu-is sazogadoebriv da politikur mecnierebaTa departamentis asocirebuli profesori laSa xozrevaniZe.

– saerTaSoriso arenaze kvlav yvelaze mniSvnelovani movlenaa ruseT-ukrainis omi. aSS aqtiurad awarmoebs molaparakebebs omis dasrulebasTan dakavSirebiT. ramdenad dainteresebulia ruseTi omis dasrulebiT?

– upirvelesad, minda, madloba gadagixadoT mowvevisaTvis, uRrmesi pativiscema gamovxato didi istoriis mqone Tqveni redaqciisa da TanamSromlebis mimarT da mogilocoT gamocemis 104 wlis iubile! davubrundebi Tqvens SekiTxvas. 2022 wlis 24 Tebervlis Semdeg, saerTaSoriso politikis mimomxilvelebSi yoveldRiur interess iwvevs ruseT-ukrainis omi. aSS-is yofil prezident jo baidenis administracia, vfiqrob, warmodgenili iyo rogorc konfliqtis mxare da ara – moderatori, aSS-is axali prezidenti donald trampi ki, mis kabinetTan erTad, inauguraciis Semdeg, legitimaciis pirveli dReebidanve cdilobs moirgos saerTaSoriso asparezze lideris mantia da uxelmZRvanelos (ufro zusti Sesatyvisi iqneba Tu vityviT, rom aSS-is pirobebis karnaxiT warmarTos) ruseTsa da ukrainas Soris molaparakebebi. aSS-ma saudis arabeTSi ukrainasa da ruseTTan cal-calke mimdinare molaparakebebis Semdeg ganacxada, rom TiToeul qveyanasTan miaRwia SeTanxmebas Sav zRvaSi Zalis gamoyenebis akrZalvisa da orive qveyanaSi energetikul obieqtebze dartymebis SeCerebis Sesaxeb, Tumca faqtia, mSvidobisken mimaval gzaze kvlavac uamravi dabrkoleba rCeba. es SeTanxmebebi, rogorc Cans, erT-erTi yvelaze xelSesaxebi Sedegia aSS-is prezident donald trampis orTviani mcdelobebisa, xeli Seuwyos omis dasrulebas. bevri ram jerac gaugebaria, maT Soris is, Tu ramdenad wava moskovi cecxlis sruli Sewyvetis an samSvidobo SeTanxmebisken, Tu ukraina mis yvela pirobas ar daTanxmdeba. molaparakebis magidaze mimdinare problemuri sakiTxebi SeiZleba ase davajgufoT:

1. `Savi zRvis akvatoriis usafrTxoebis qolgis uzrunvelyofa orive mxaris mier~ – SeerTebuli Statebi da ruseTi mianiSnebdnen, rom molaparakebebis am raundis mTavari mizani iyo Sav zRvaSi cecxlis Sewyvetis Sesaxeb SeTanxmebis miRweva, rac saSualebas miscems gemebs, Tavisuflad imoZraon am strategiulad mniSvnelovan adgilas da amave dros, pirveli nabiji iqneba ufro farTo zavisken. Savi zRvis sanapiroebi ruseTsac aqvs da ukrainasac da is ukrainuli da rusuli marcvleulis eqsportis mTavari gamtaria;
2. ,,energoobieqtebisa da energetikuli infrastruqturis usafrTxoebis uzrunvelyofa“ – rogorc mogexsenebaT, 18 marts gaimarTa satelefono saubari vladimer putinsa da donald tramps Soris. TeTri saxlisa da kremlis mier gamoqveynebuli detalebi saubris Sesaxeb Seicavda mcire, magram arsebiT gansxvavebas. aSS-is gancxadebis Tanaxmad, liderebi `SeTanxmdnen, rom moZraoba mSvidobisken daiwyeba energetikisa da infrastruqturis winaaRmdeg cecxlis SewyvetiT~, xolo ruseTis gancxadebaSi aRwerilia energetikul infrastruqturaze Tavdasxmebis SeCereba. kremlma gaavrcela informacia, rom putinma moiwona iniciativa da `dauyovnebliv misca rus samxedroebs Sesabamisi brZaneba~, magram ukrainam ruseTi daadanaSaula infrastruqturaze, maT Soris energetikul obieqtebze Tavdasxmebis gagrZelebaSi. 25 marts gavrcelebul gancxadebebSi TeTri saxli ar axsenebs konkretulad infrastruqturas. naTqvamia, rom qveynebi „SeTanxmdnen, SeimuSaon zomebi ruseTisa da ukrainis energetikul obieqtebze dartymebis akrZalvis [SeTanxmebebis] gansaxorcieleblad“;
3. garigeba e.w. iSviaTi mineralebis Sesaxeb – 25 marts volodimir zelenskim Jurnalistebs ganucxada, rom SeerTebulma Statebma SesTavaza mineraluri resursebis SeTanxmebis yovlismomcveli axali versia, romelic Tveebis ganmavlobaSi ganixileboda. 24 marts trampma ganacxada, rom vaSingtoni da kievi „male“ moaweren xels SeTanxmebas ukrainis iSviaTi wiaRiseulis da sxva bunebrivi resursebis erToblivi ganviTarebis Sesaxeb, rac, aSS-is oficialuri pirebis TqmiT, daexmareba ukrainas usafrTxoebis uzrunvelyofaSi da ruseTis ukrainasTan omis mogvarebis mniSvnelovani nawili iqneba. SeTanxmebis xelmowera mosalodneli iyo 28 Tebervals, rodesac zelenski TeTr saxls ewvia, Tumca is Sexvedra ovalur kabinetSi uprecedento konfliqtiT dasrulda mas Semdeg, rac trampma da vice-prezidentma j. d. vensma ukrainis prezidenti Jurnalistebis winaSe gaakritikes. mas Semdeg daZabulobam iklo da iSviaT wiaRiseulze SeTanxmeba SeiZleba ukrainasa da amerikis SeerTebul Statebs Soris solidarobis maniSnebeli iyos. uaxloes periodSi ukve naTlad gamoCnda, ramdenad realurad dainteresebuli ruseTi molaparakebebiT, Tundac misTvis sasargeblo pirobebiT. uaxloesi informaciiT (romelic Tqvens kiTxvaze nawilobriv maZlevs pasuxis gacemis SesaZleblobas), 2025 wlis 4 aprils, saRamos, balistikur raketasTan dakavSirebuli safrTxis gamo, sahaero gangaSi ukrainaSi, kerZod ki krivoi rogSi 18.50 saaTze gamocxadda. ramdenime wuTis Semdeg miiRes informacia raketiT Tavdasxmis Sesaxeb (rusuli balistikuri raketiT Tavdasxmis Sedegad, msxverplis raodenoba 18-mde gaizarda, maT Soris cxra bavSvia), aseve, 6 aprilis gamTeniisas, ruseTma kievze ieriSi miitana balistikuri raketebiT. afeTqebebi qalaqis ramdenime raionSi moxda. es yvelaferi namdvilad ar miuTiTebs ruseTis mxridan omis dasrulebisTvis mzaobaze. dasavluri gamocemebi aqtiurad weren imis Sesaxeb, rom 2025 wlis aprilis bolos, amerikis saxelmwifo departamentSi dagegmilia mniSvnelovani Sexvedrebi ruseT-ukrainis omis Taobaze, romlis Semdgomac savaraudoa, rom aSS daiwyebs sruliad axali sagareo politikuri kursis gatarebas ruseT-ukrainis konfliqtis mimarT.

– `mSvidoba agresoris pirobebiT kapitulacias niSnavs da mxolod waaaxalisebs amJamindel da momaval agresors~ – ganacxada CexeTis prezidentma pavelma. am mxriv, evrokavSiri ramdenad erTiania ukrainis mxardaWeris TvalsazrisiT?

– evrokavSirs, vfiqrob, konfliqtis regulaciis TvalsazrisiT realuri da sagrZnobi Sedegis misaRwevad, mouwevs ufro qmediTi da TvalSisacemi nabijebis gadadgma. miuxedavad imisa, rom evrokavSiri ar aris koleqtiuri usafrTxoebis uzrunvelmyofi organizacia da is ufro politikuri instituciaa, vfiqrob, aSS-is axali sagareo politikuri kursi aiZulebs mas ufro qmediTad iyos CarTuli konfliqtis regulaciis nawilSi, vidre aqamde, raSic, bunebrivia, ara mxolod materialuri daxmarebiT ukrainis uzrunvelyofas vgulisxmob, aramed SesaZloa, wevri qveynebis mxridan samxedro-sadazvervo sferoSi daxmarebis xvedriTi wilic gaizardos.

– ra mTavari gamowvevebi elodeba tramps sagareo politikaSi?

– vfiqrob, trampis sagareo politikaSi mniSvnelovani yuradReba daeTmoba CineTTan urTierTobis sakiTxs, aseve, savsebiT mosalodnelia, amerikam interesi gazardos axlo aRmosavleTis regionSi mimdinare procesebisadmi, rac amerikis uaxlesi sagareo politikis erT-erT mTavar Secdomad fasdeba (vgulisxmob avRaneTidan wina prezidentis mier jarebis gamoyvanis gadawyvetilebas da iq teroristuli organizacia ,,Talibanis“ ,,politikur reinkarnaciaze“ daTanxmebas). bunebrivia, iranTan da ruseTTan aSS-is diplomatiuri qiSpoba araxalia da gansakuTrebiT saintereso iqneba donald trampis gadawyvetilebebi ruseTis federaciasa da iranTan mimarTebaSi.

– ramdenad mosalodnelia, evrokavSirma natos msgavsi organizacia Seqmnas? Aaseve, realurad, evrokavSiri ramdenad aris mzad, amerikis mxardaWeris gareSe aRudges ruseTs da am yvelafris fonze ibadeba Tu ara evropis axali arqiteqtura?

– daaxloebiT ori wlis win evrokavSirSi gaCnda idea, rom upriani iqneboda, evrokavSirma, rogorc politikurma instituciam, samomavlod itvirTos usafrTxoebis uzrunvelmyofi organizaciis funqciebi, rac mTlianad Secvlida evropuli usafrTxoebis arqiteqturas. amisTvis, bunebrivia, institutis wesdebis gadaxedva, wevri saxelmwifoebis mxridan konsensusi da maTi procesSi monawileobis xvedriTi wilis gansazRvraze SeTanxmeba iqneba aucilebeli (rogorc samxedro TvalsazrisiT, aseve, materialuri bazis Sesaqmnelad da biurokratiis uzrunvelsayofad). es yvelaferi piradad me, am etapze, aSS-is CarTulobis gareSe warmoudgenlad mimaCnia. aseve, naklebad mgonia, rom 2025-2028 w.w. raime qmediTi nabijebi gadaidgas evrokavSiris funqciebSi globaluri usafrTxoebis uzrunvelmyofi meqanizmebis damatebis kuTxiT.

– gverds ver avuvliT axlo aRmosavleTSi ganviTarebul movlenebs, asadis reJimi demxo, aseve, vrceldeba informacia, rom SesaZloa aSS-ma da israelma sahaero ieriSebi miitanon iranze. Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb. . .

– amerikis SeerTebuli Statebisa da iranis urTierToba erT-erTi yvelaze kompleqsuria dRevandel geopolitikur samyaroSi. 1979 wlis islamuri revoluciis Semdeg, qveynebi erTamaneTTan, ZiriTadad, dapirispirebulni arian da diplomatiuri urTierTobebi gawyvetilia. 2015 wlis 14 ivliss iransa da gaeros uSiSroebis sabWos 5 mudmiv wevrs (CineTi, safrangeTi, germania, ruseTi, didi britaneTi da aSS) Soris miRweuli iqna erToblivi yovlismomcveli samoqmedo gegma , rac imedis momcemi iyo, Tumca mogvianebiT gaqarwylda. donald trampis gaprezidentebas mohyva axali kiTxvebi aSS-iranis momavali urTierTobebis Sesaxeb. Zalzed sainteresoa misi sagareo politikuri kursisTvis Tvalis devneba da konkretuli gadawyvetilebebis miRebis Semdeg ufro gagviadvildeba siRrmiseuli analizis gakeTeba. mimdinare wels aSS-irans Soris urTierTobebis im donemde gauareseba, rom samxedro dapirispirebamde mivides saqme, naklebad savaraudoa.

– sainteresoa, ra poziciebi ukaviaT evropis im wamyvan saxelmwifoebs, romlebic qmnian dRes evropuli politikis mTavar arqiteqturas? vgulisxmob safrangeTs, did britaneTs da germanias. . .

– mas Semdeg, rac amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi, rogorc lideri, aqtiurad CaerTo samSvidobo molaparakebebSi, faqtia, qmediTi gaxda evropis centraluri qveynebis nabijebi ruseT-ukrainis omTan mimarTebaSi. saintereso Sexvedra gaimarTa 2025 wlis 4 aprils – britaneTisa da safrangeTis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebi devid lami da Jan-noel baro natos Stab-binaSi, briuselSi Sexvdnen erTmaneTs. evropis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebma ruseTi ukrainaSi cecxlis Sewyvetis Sesaxeb molaparakebebis CaSlaSi daadanaSaules da moskovze zewola aucileblad gamoacxades. Mxareebma xazi gausves, rom moskovma `pasuxi unda gasces SeerTebul Statebs~, romelmac, rogorc Suamavalma, `didi Zalisxmeva gaiRo~ cecxlis Sewyvetis SeTanxmebisTvis (amis Sesaxeb informacia saagento `roitersma~ gaavrcela). Aaseve, saintereso informaciaa isic, rom mimdinare wlis 3-4 aprils briuselSi gaimarTa natos wevri qveynebis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebis Sexvedra, romlis dasrulebis Semdgomac JurnalistebTan germaniis sagareo saqmeTa ministrma analena berbokma ganacxada, rom putinis saubari molaparakebebze `sxva araferia, Tu ara carieli dapirebebi~.

– saerTaSoriso, politikaze saubrisas gverds ver avuvliT mezobel TurqeTSi mimdinare procesebs. ra xdeba TurqeTis Sida samzareuloSi da udgas Tu ara erdoRanis xelisuflebas politikuri krizisi?

– saintereso procesebi viTardeba TurqeTSi. Mminda, erTi saintereso faqti gavaxseno Cvens mkiTxvels: wina saukunis bolos, stambolis popularul mers Tanamdeboba CamoarTves da daapatimres braldebiT, romelsac misi mxardamWerebi politikurad motivirebulad miiCnevdnen. is politikas maleve daubrunda da Semdeg iqca liderad, romelic Tanamedrove TurqeTis istoriaSi yvelaze xangrZlivi droiT marTavs qveynas. stambolis es yofili meri reje taif erdoRania, romelic didi xania TurqeTis prezidentia. erTgvari simetriaa – es protesti stambolis popularuli meris dapatimrebam gamoiwvia. aRsaniSnavia, rom saprotesto aqciebi stambolSi, ankarasa da qveynis sxva qalaqebsa da provinciebSi 19 marts daiwyo, rodesac stambolis meri eqrem imamoRlu daakaves da ramdenime braldeba wauyenes, maT Soris korufcia da teroristuli jgufebis xelSewyoba. es yvelaze didi da farTo protestia 2013 wlis Semdeg. maSin „gezis parkis“ saprotesto moZraoba ramdenime kviris ganmavlobaSi moeqca msoflio mediis yuradRebis centrSi. saprotesto gamosvlebis dawyebis Semdeg dakavebulia 1500-mde adamiani. zog maTgans erdoRanisa da misi ojaxis Seuracxyofa edeba bralad. Aaseve, dapatimrebulia ramdenime Jurnalisti, B`bi-bi-sis~ reportiori ki qveynidan gaaZeves mas Semdeg, rac acnobes, rom is warmoadgenda `safrTxes sazogadoebrivi wesrigis winaaRmdeg“, magram mTavari mizezi, ris gamoc mimdinare krizisma SeiZleba kidev ufro didi cvlilebebi moutanos erdoRans da TurqeTis demokratias, aris Secvlili ekonomikuri da politikuri garemo, aseve, inflacia da mzardi saprotesto talRa. saintereso iqneba TurqeTSi mimdinare procesebze dakvirveba.