“სიყვარული ერთადერთია, რასაც ხარჯავ და ბევრდება”

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Cveni Tanamemamule, mwerali naTia xaduri sazRvargareT mcxovreb im emigrantebs miekuTvneba, TavianTi keTili saqmeebiT yuradRebas rom ipyroben rogorc CvenSi, aseve ucxoeTSic. qalbatoni naTia amJamad niu-iorkSi cxovrobs da literaturul saqmianobas eweva. misma romanma (`jariskacis sagzali~) amerikeli gamomcemlebis mowoneba daimsaxura. is inglisurad iTargmna, xolo axlaxan niu-iorkis qarTuli kulturis centrSi gamarTulma misi poeziis saRamom naTlad warmoaCina, rom literaturas naTia xaduris saxiT erTguli da saintereso moRvawe hyavs.
– qalbatono naTia, niu-iorkSi ukve mraval warmatebas miaRwieT, gilocavT. Tavad rogor aRiqvamT Tqvens bolodroindel miRwevebs?
– upirvelesad, udidesi madloba Tqven da Tqvens gazeTs Cem mimarT gamovlenili yuradRebisTvis. namdvilad pirvelebi xarT am TvalsazrisiT da rodesac Cemi masStaburi gegma Sesruldeba, aseve Tqven iqnebiT pirveli, visac Cems sixaruls gavuziareb. rac Seexeba SekiTxvas, erTaderTi, rasac zedmiwevniT cxadad aRviqvam, es adamianebis siyvarulia. gulwrfelia maTi siyvaruli Cemdami da amiT Zalian bednieri var.
– aprilSi gamarTulma Tqveni poeziis saRamom Turme ara marto qarTveli emigrantebi, aramed sxva erovnebis adamianebi da TviT amerikelebic daainteresa. im saRamos roca igonebT?
– es iyo saocari emocia da SegrZneba, aseve survili, rom sul am adamianebis gverdiT viyo. rac maSin ver gavuziare maT, minda Semdegma Sexvedram momces amisi SesaZlebloba. SeuZlebelia, erTma programam daitios yvelaferi, risi Tqmac minda xolme. Tanac, is siyvaruli, urTierTpativiscema, mosmena, mokiTxva, erTmaneTis ambebiT daintereseba, rac Tan axlavs Cemi poeziis saRamoebs, organul moTxovnilebas aCens, rom rac SeiZleba male isev CavexutoT erTmaneTs.

– ra SegiZliaT gviTxraT niu-iorkSi qarTuli kulturis centris saqmianobaze?
– niu-iorkSi, sabednierod, ukve araerTi qarTuli kulturis centri arsebobs Dda ara mxolod aq. yvelas udidesi madloba CvenTvis am metad saWiro da mniSvnelovani saqmis msaxurebisTvis. magram axla unda giamboT amerikaSi qarTuli kulturis pirvel centrze, romelTanac megobrobis pativi mxvda wilad. eseni arian iseTi saocari adamianebi, zRapridan movidneno, rom ifiqrebT. swored zRapars hgavs maTi Seqmnili atmosfero da kera, sadac yvela, didi Tu patara, bednieria. udidesi Sroma, udidesi Zalisxmevaa Cadebuli am kedlebSi da raoden gulis amaCuyebelia, rom aq dabadebul qarTvelebs gadaecemaT qarTuli enisa da kulturis zustad im xarisxisa da Sinaarsis sitkbo, rogoric maT samSobloSia. dausruleblad SemiZlia giamboT qalbaton likasa da baton viqtor sirelsonebis fasdaudebel amagze, romelTa Zalisxmevamac dRes qarTulad amRerebul-acekvebuli uamravi axalgazrdis warmateba ganapiroba. isini aramxolod axalgazrdebs uxsnian xel-fexs am gigant qveyanaSi SemoqmedebiTad ganviTarebisTvis. Cemi poeziis ori saRamoc swored aq Sedga da es iyo absoluturi da upirobo mxardaWera maTgan. axla erT saidumlos gagimxelT, vmuSaob erT-erT proeqtze, romelic Zalian male yvelas Tvalwin gadaSlis namdvil ambavs qarTuli kulturis nergis gadargvisa did amerikaSi, romelmac ise gaixara, rom dRes didtoteba muxa gvaqvs qarTvelebs sirelsonebis dafuZnebuli qarTuli kulturis centris saxiT. marto is rad Rirs, rom batoni viqtori qarTul cekvebs fenomenalurad asrulebs. am ambavze mets veRar giambobT, gana imitom, rom ar minda, erTi suli maqvs, yvelaferze vilaparako, Tanac Tqvenc dagpirdiT dasawyisSi, rom yvelafers gagiziarebT pirvelebs-meTqi, magram am pirobas is aclis Zalas, rom Tqvenze adre maT Sevpirdi, rom jer ar unda visaubro amaze. Zalian male, modiT, yvelam erTad gavixaroT.
– rogorc viciT, SarSan, maisSi amerikaSi qarTvelebis dajildoebis ceremonia gaimarTa. kargi iqneba, Tu mogviTxrobT amis Sesaxeb. . .
– es RonisZieba yovel wels imarTeba kompozitor-Semsrulebel Tamar daviTaSvilis egidiT da erT-erTi maRali klasis, akademiurad organizebuli RonisZiebaa qarTvelebis mier Sedgenili. SarSan stumris statusiT gaxldiT miwveuli da welsac amave statusiT daveswrebi am RonisZiebas, romelic ivnisis dasawyisSi gaimarTeba. amdeni warmatebuli qarTvelis erTdroulad xilva Cveni niWis namdvili zeimia, da ra Tqma unda, udides madlobas vuxdi qalbaton Tamars am emociisTvis. es RonisZieba Tavisi SinaarsiTa da masStabiT Zalian didia, radgan bruklinis meris, baton erik adamsis uSualo mxardaWeriTa da TandaswrebiT jildovdebian Cveni warmatebuli adamianebi, rac qalbatoni Tamaris damsaxurebaa. aseve, Jurnalisti da poeti, yvelasTvis sayvareli adamiani lela ninua akeTebs didi masStabis proeqts `samosi samSoblo~, romlis monawile var wels. CarTulia Zalian bevri niWieri Cveni Tanamemamule yvela qveynidan. mixaria da didi gulmodginebiT vemzadebi. am proeqts madlobis werili gamougzavna Cvenma prezidentma, qalbatonma salome zurabiSvilma, rac Zalian dasafasebelia. werili yvelasTvis siurprizi iyo. igi msaxiobma, kaskadiorma da mocekvave laSa mZinaraSvilma Camoitana saqarTvelodan. man gasaocari ambavi daatriala holivudSi msoflio kaskadiorebis dajildoebaze da es saocrebebi dRemde grZeldeba. saopero momRerali, romelmac evropis didi scenebidan amerikaSi gadmoinacvla, ganacvifrebs da aRafrTovanebs amerikelebs, Cvenze rom aRaraferi vTqvaT da karnegi holis did scenas, vfiqrob, male pirad sakuTrebaSi gadascemen, iseTi didia es adamiani – goCa abulaZe. rogor ar viyo bednieri? ramdeni giamboT… maSin yovel kvira unda gagiziaroT Cemi sixaruli, aq imdeni qarTveli xdeba pirveladgilosani Tavis saqmeSi.
– Tqveni romani `jariskacis sagzali~ inglisurad iTargmna da `amazonzec~ devs gasayidad, satelevizio programaSic mogiwvies. . . gza aseTi warmatebisken ar iqneboda ioli. . .
– am wignze saubari yvela tkivils maviwyebs, rac ki odesme ganmicdia. wignis `amazonze~ dadebas aTasi Tanmdevi niuansi aqvs. yvelafers Tanxa sWirdeba sawyis etapze da me arasdros myavs sponsori. yvelaferSi vixdi sakuTari SromiT gamomuSavebul fuls. da kidev, Zalian mniSvnelovania is, rom me myavs RmerTisgan boZebuli megobrebi, romlebic saWiro dros mexmarebian. maTi damsaxurebiT gavZlierdi da gadavdivar SedarebiT mSvid etapze yvela TvalsazrisiT. amerikuli televiziebidan miviRe SemoTavazeba, magram jer erT CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovan saqmes vakeTeb da mTeli Zalisxmeva, emociuric da finansuric, swored rom aqeTken mivmarTe. prioritetebi dalagebuli maqvs da mivyvebi mSvidad, nabij-nabij yvelafers. sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime saaTis win miviRe mowveva RonisZiebidan, romelic noembris dasawyisSi gaimarTeba da Tanxmobac yoymanis gareSe vuTxari maT, sixaruliT gavemgzavrebi axali gamowvevebisTvis arizonis StatSi.

– `fotografia aris dumiliT gadmocemuli leqsi da musika erTad~ – aseT daskvnamde, cxadia, uceb ar mixvediT. ra SegiZliaT gviTxraT Tqveni fotografiiT dainteresebis Sesaxeb?
– getyviT, ra gancdam maTqmevina es sityvebi. am SemTxvevaSi, me mainc leqss avirCevdi, radgan metyveleb, metyveleba ki martivia azrisa da grZnobebis gamosaTqmelad. musika xmaurobs da ase metyvelebs, notebiT ambobs saTqmels. ai, fotografia namdvilad aris dumiliT gadmocemuli leqsica da musikac erTad. rac fotoxelovanma kadrSi moaqcia, Sen unda gaigo, rogori poeziaa da ra melodias itevs. sxvaTa Soris, xSirad gamxdara fotokadri Cemi leqsis inspiracia. anu, gamodis, rom rac kadrSi dumiliT gadmoicema, me leqsad avametyvele. musikosi melodias dawers da a. S.
– `Sen xar lamazi adamiani~ – es rubrika daaarseT feisbuqis gverdze da popularizacias uwevT aTobiT adamians. . . axla arCevans visze gaakeTebT?
– gasul orSabaTs mominda, madloba meTqva adamianisTvis, romelmac gulwrfelad gamiRo Tavisi saxlis kari da bevri sikeTe gamikeTa – es aris sofo asaTiani, `sikeTis asaTiani~ davarqvi, aseve, lali imerliSvili da xaTuna filauri. dRes maiko guledans davuwere Cemi gulidan samadlobeli. kidev uamrav adamianze unda vilaparako. dae, iyos yovelkvireuli rubrika, romelsac orSabaT dilisTvis davaxvedreb mkiTxvels. . .
– roca momavalSi ixedebiT, rogor xedavT sakuTar Tavs da kidev ras dawerT leqsad, prozad?
– pirveli wigni roca davwere, maSin gavifiqre, amis Semdeg raRas vizam-meTqi. mas Semdeg oTxi weli gavida da saTqmeli ar gamoilia. amitom vambob, rom jer araferi damiweria. yvelaferi saukeTeso win aris. amas isic emateba, rom Tavad Janric Semomemravalferovna, magaliTad, kafia, biografiuli romani. . . piesis daweris didi survili maqvs, aseve, scenaris. axla viwyeb biografiuli romanis weras.
– Tqveni amerikeli megobrebi warmogvidgineT, visTan urTierTobT, ra gizidavT maTSi?
– urTierTobebi yovelTvis Tanabrad gamomdioda yvela erovnebis adamianTan, visac Cemi cxovrebis gzaze Sevxvedrivar. adamianis Sefasebis Cemi upirvelesi kriteriumi aris is, rom unda iyos keTili (Zunw adamianTan ver vurTierTob). Tu adamians SeuZlia Tavisi wilis, kuTvnilis gaziareba, gayofa meore adamianisTvis, CemTvis is ukve aris „adamiani“. da mainc, siyvaruli gulwrfelad visac SeuZlia, yvela adamiani aris momxibvleli. amas ki erovneba ar aqvs. es gvaerTianebs adamianebs.
– Tqveni TvaliT danaxuli niu-iorkis da iqaurTa cxovrebis stili da wesi. . .
– aq imdeni stilisa da wesis adamiani dadis, ramdenic mTel dedamiwazea. ra Tqma unda, yvela individi mosawoni ver iqneba, magram Cacmisa da qcevis stilze rom vTqva, xSirad mifiqria, axla damanaxa klasikuri samosiT gamowyobili, daxvewili maneris mqone adamiani-meTqi. Tumc, arc klasikuri samosis qona uWirT amerikaSi mcxovrebT. magram aq iseTi manZilia gasavleli, rom mudmivma aseTma reJimma moitana Tavisufali Cacmuloba. iqidan gamomdinare, rom udidesi qalaqia, yvela cdilobs, icxovros SedarebiT msubuqad.
– gamocdileba, romelic cxovrebam SegZinaT, ra daskvnis SesaZleblobas gaZlevT?
– Seiyvare RmerTi, icxovre mSvidad da Tavisuflad. diax, RmerTis SeyvarebiT iwyeba yvelafris Seyvareba, Seyvareba misi Seqmnili sicocxlisa. rac giyvars, ufrTxildebi, razec zrunav da ufrTxildebi, kidev ufro metad giyvardeba. siyvaruli erTaderTia, rom xarjav da bevrdeba. gabevrebuli siyvaruli ki cxovrebis azri da Sinaarsia. iqneba wyena, tkena, Ralati, Suri, gautanloba, ampartavneba, magram ubedureba is iqneba, sxvisi arakeTilsindisierebiT daTrgunuli an dazaralebuli, RmerTs rom ganudgebi da sakuTar Tavsac. siyvaruli yvelafers faravs. sxva yvelaferi: wodebebi, statusebi, Tanamdebobebi dRes aris da xval aRar iqneba. mxolod im adamians eqneba mudmivi sixaruli, vinc cxovrobs rwmeniT, romelic WeSmaritebas efuZneba da romlisganac gamomdinareobs sufTa, uTvalTmaqco, adamianuri grZnobebi da saqmeebi.

– damSvidobebisas, ras etyodiT Cveni gazeTis mkiTxvelebs?
– bolo dros arsebuli politikuri Tu ekonomikuri krizisebi cxadyofs, rom cxovreba ufro da ufro rTuli xdeba. miuxedavad am yvelafrisa, gviyvardes erTmaneTi, gulTan mivitanoT sxvisi gasaWiri da `sikeTiani~ xelebi CavWidoT erTmaneTs. gacemas meti bedniereba moaqvs, vidre miRebas. Cemgan ki udidesi madloba da siyvaruli – Tqven.