როცა სხვის ტკივილს ატარებ. . .

axlaxan baTumis `grand molSi~ kinoTeatr `kaveaSi~ moklemetraJiani filmis `gamyofi xazi~ premiera Sedga, romelic qalTa mimarT Zaladobazea. filmSi mTavar rols Cveni gazeTis Jurnalisti da moyvaruli msaxiobi mariam xiTariSvili asrulebs. gTavazobT masTan intervius, sadac detalurad ixsenebs am mxatvrul saxeze muSaobasTan dakavSirebul siZneleebsa da sakuTar gancdebs.

– rogori iyo Tqveni pirveli reaqcia, rodesac scenari waikiTxeT?

– sanam `gamyofi xazis~ scenari daiwereboda, filmis reJisor mevlud sabaSvilis ramdenime moklemetraJian filmSi meorexarisxovani rolebi mqonda Sesrulebuli. pirveli iyo 5-wuTiani filmi korufciis Temaze – `50 qveyana~, Semdeg – `saukeTeso survilebiT~, xolo mesame – `gadaxdis bolo dRe~. maxsovs, Sesrulebaze vsaubrobdiT da mevluds xumrobiT vuTxari – Cemi SesaZleblobebi am filmebSi bolomde ver gamovxate, kargi iqneboda, Tavi gamomecada mZime, Tundac fsiqologiur dramaSi, sadac emociurad daviclebodi da maqsimalurad gamovavlendi Cems msaxiobur ostatobas-meTqi. am naTqvamisTvis maSin seriozuli datvirTva ar mimicia, Tumca mevluds albaT gonebaSi CarCa da weliwad-naxevris Semdeg, CemTvis sruliad moulodnelad, migzavnis scenars – waikiTxeo. wavikiTxe da mivxvdi, rom cxovrebaSi erT-erTi saintereso periodi mewyeboda. CemTvis es roli, ubralod, samsaxiobo amocana ar yofila. Tavidanve gaviazre, rom didi pasuxismgebloba da im gamocdilebis dasawyisi iyo, romelic Cems profesiul da pirovnul Rirsebebs axal safexurze aiyvanda.

– ramdenad rTulia Zaladobis msxverpli qalis rolis morgeba?

– sakmaod rTuli, radgan, aseTi rolis Sesrulebisas, ubralod, teqstis dazepireba ar kmara. aucilebelia, SeigrZno da gaacnobiero is tkivili, rac msgavs situaciaSi myof adamians aqvs gancdili. Zaladoba misi msxverplisTvis xSirad Cumi, uxmo tkivilia, romelsac garSemomyofebi ver amCneven. yvelaze rTuli swored am emociuri mdgomareobis gadmocema iyo. vcdilobdi, TiToeuli scena realobasTan maqsimalurad miaxloebuli yofiliyo, raTa am Temis simZime da mniSvneloba yvelasTvis gasagebi gamxdariyo. am personaJis saxeze muSaobam maCvena, ramdenad mniSvnelovania TiToeuli detali – xma, mzera, siCume, amitom, gansakuTrebuli pasuxismgeblobiT movekide.

– rolisTvis rogor emzadebodiT? xom ar gqondaT urTierToba qalbatonebTan, romlebmac Zaladoba gamoscades?

– sabednierod, Cems samegobro da sanacnobo wreSi ar myavs adamianebi msgavsi istoriebiT. ase rom, verc sxvisi da madloba RmerTs, verc Cemi gamocdilebiT vixelmZRvanelebdi. rom giTxraT, specialurad amisTvis msgavsi Sinaarsis filmebs, an gadacemebs vuyurebdi-meTqi, mogatyuebT. ar mindoda, sxvisi gavleniT meTamaSa es roli, Tumca bevri interviu wavikiTxe Zaladobagadatanil qalebTan da es ara mxolod faqtebis gagebaSi, aramed im tkivilis gancdaSi damexmara, rasac es qalebi gadian. aseve, bevri fiqri da analizi damWirda, imis warmosadgenad, ra mdgomareobaSi iqneboda Cemi personaJi konkretul situaciaSi. iyo scenebi, sadac mxolod mzeriT, JestebiT gadmovcemdi saTqmels. roca dialogi aRar aris, am dros sxeuli saubrobs da amgvarad vcdilobdi, gameRrmavebina personaJis Sinagani xma. es iyo mZime, magram Zalian mniSvnelovani procesi.

– emociurad ramdenad rTuli iyo am rolSi Sesvla?

– es iyo erTgvari emociuri CaZirva iseT realobaSi, romelsac dResac bevri qali gadis. gadaRebebis Semdeg raRac periodi mdumarebaSi vrCebodi. veRar vubrundebodi yoveldRiur cxovrebas ise swrafad, rogorc sxva rolebis Semdeg. sxvis tkivils rom atareb, is droebiT Senic xdeba. albaT yvelaze mZime iyo is momentebi, roca kameris miRmac maxsendeboda, rom es istoria aTasobiT qalis realuri cxovrebaa da amitom Cemi „TamaSi“ erTgvar moralur pasuxismgeblobad meqca. am rolma maCvena, ramdenad Zlieri SeiZleba iyos adamiani tkivilis miuxedavad da amave dros, ramdenad uZluria qali, roca misi tkivili aravis esmis.

– rogor aRwerdiT Tqvens personaJs, ra procesebi midis masSi?

– Cemi personaJi aris qali, romelic cxovrobs SiSSi, magram TandaTan swavlobs sakuTari Tavis miRebas, tkivilis danaxvas da sabolood – winaaRmdegobis gawevas. garedan SesaZloa morCilad gamoiyurebodes, magram mis SigniT brazi da udidesi Sinagani brZolaa. Tavdapirvelad, sakuTar TavTanac ver aRiarebs, rom Zaladobis msxverplia. masSi nel-nela ibadeba Zala da swored es Sinagani transformaciaa rolis yvelaze mniSvnelovani nawili. personaJSi mTavari procesi TviTSecnobaa – rogor gadadis SiSi gaazrebaSi da gaazreba – moqmedebaSi. masSi simamace iRviZebs, romelic Tavidanve hqonda, ubralod, wlebis ganmavlobaSi miZinebuli iyo. Zaladobisgan Tavis daRweva misTvis mxolod fizikuri ar aris, es mtkivneuli, magram aucilebeli emociuri ganTavisuflebaa.

– Tqveni azriT, Tavidanve ratom ar midis personaJi im azramde, rom moZalade meuRlisgan ganTavisufldes?

– Cemi personaJis SemTxvevaSi, moZalade qmarze damokidebuleba mxolod emociuri ar aris. es rTuli, wlebis ganmavlobaSi Camoyalibebuli fsiqologiuri kavSiria. moZalade xSirad manipulirebs, rac msxverplSi qmnis iluzias, TiTqos es droebiTi mdgomareobaa da yvelaferi gamoswordeba. amas emateba sircxvilis grZnoba: ras ityvis sxva? iqneb Cemi bralia yvelaferi?. . xSirad, Zaladobis msxverpli iseT garemoSia gazrdili, sadac Zaladoba normaa. aseT SemTxvevaSi, man SeiZleba verc ki SeamCnios, rom toqsikur da saxifaTo urTierTobaSia. amas emateba qmarze finansuri damokidebuleba, ojaxuri wnexi da Rrma sasowarkveTa. Cemi personaJic swored am process gadis, Tumca, droTa ganmavlobaSi, masSi Sinagani xma iRviZebs da meubneba, rom gadarCena mxolod sakuTari Tavis dacviT SeiZleba. es erT-erTi yvelaze mtkivneuli sakiTxia, radgan Teoriulad gaqcevis gza yovelTvis arsebobs, magram wasvlis Zala yvelas ar aqvs.

– rogor fiqrobT, ratom Cumdebian Zaladobis msxverpli qalebi?

– pirvel rigSi, imitom, rom maT SiSi marTavT. SiSi – fizikuri SurisZiebis, SiSi – marto darCenis, usaxsrobis, sazogadoebisgan gariyvis, yvelaze didi ubedureba isaa, rom bevr qals hgonia, TiTqos Tavad miiyvana urTierToba im mdgomareobamde, sadac Zaladoba `dasaSvebia~ da amitom Tavad aris damnaSave. moZalade amiT sargeblobs da ambobs, rom qali provocirebs, ar usmens, ar asrulebs meuRlis movaleobebs. es yvelaferi msxverpls STaagonebs, rom Zaladoba marTlac misi bralia. morigi mizezi sazogadoebrivi damokidebulebaa. xSirad, msxverpls eSinia, rom ar daujereben, an uares SemTxvevaSi – daadanaSauleben. `ojaxSi yvelaferi xdeba~, `mainc bavSvebis mamaa~, – aseTi frazebi qals Cumad yofnas aiZulebs. damoukideblobis naklebobac erT-erTi seriozuli faqtoria. roca qali finansurad, socialurad an emociurad damokidebulia moZalade qmarze, mas ar aqvs resursi, rom nabiji gadadgas. aseT pirobebSi Cumad yofna TviTgadarCenis instinqtia, Tumca qalis siCume ar niSnavs siZlieris ararsebobas, xSirad swored es siCumea yvelaze mZime tvirTi, rac qalma satareblad airCia, radgan am etapze sxva gza, ubralod, ar aqvs. swored amitom aris mniSvnelovani, rom sazogadoeba Ria iyos mosmenisa da mxardaWerisTvis da ara gankiTxvisTvis. Cumad yofna arCevani ki ara, xSirad iZulebaa.

– rogori iyo reJisorTan da gadamReb jgufTan muSaoba?

– filmis reJisorTan da gadamReb jgufTan muSaoba erT-erTi yvelaze saintereso da Tbili gamocdileba iyo Cems cxovrebaSi. mevluds gamorCeuli xedva aqvs da uzomod Sromismoyvarea. man Tavidanve Tavisufali da SemoqmedebiTad mdidari samuSao garemo Seqmna, rac saSualebas maZlevda, personaJTan muSaobisas bolomde gavxsniliyavi. vgrZnobdi, Cems emociebs rogor afasebdnen, es ki msaxiobisTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania. gadamRebi jgufis TiToeuli wevri: operatori – daviT axmaevi, audioinJineri – naiko qadiZe da teqnikuri menejeri – giorgi CiburdaniZe is adamianebi arian, romlebic acnobiereben, rom kargi kadri mxolod teqnikiT ar iqmneba, mas simSvide, mxardaWera da koleqtiuri erTianoba sWirdeba. minda madloba gadavuxado TiToeul maTgans imisTvis, rom yoveli gadaRebis dRe CemTvis emociuri mogzauroba iyo. gansakuTrebiT mniSvnelovania, roca sensitiur Temaze muSaob da ici, Seni gundi gendoba, gismens da gverdiT gidgas. vfiqrob, swored am erTsulovnebiT da ndobiT SevZeliT kargi Sedegis miReba.

– Seicvala Tu ara Tqveni damokidebuleba ojaxuri Zaladobis Temis mimarT rolze muSaobis Semdeg?

– diax, mniSvnelovnad Seicvala. manamde, miuxedavad imisa, rom vicodi, es seriozuli problema iyo, Zaladoba CemTvis mainc, garkveulwilad, statistikad, axal ambad, an sxvis tkivilad aRiqmeboda. roca personaJis TvaliT vuyure movlenebs, davinaxe is SiSi da Sinagani brZola, rasac realuri adamianebi yoveldRe ganicdian, vigrZeni, ramdenad advilia garedan rCevis micema – ,`ratom ar midis?~, `ratom ar saubrobs?~ roca am process Signidan ecnobi, xvdebi, ramdenad rTulia aseTi gadawyvetilebebis miReba. dRes am Temaze bevrad ufro frTxilad da gacnobierebulad vsaubrob.

– axlaxan kinoTeatr `kaveaSi~ filmis Sida premiera Sedga. rogori gamoxmaureba miiReT mayureblisgan?

– CemTvis Zalian emociuri da dasamaxsovrebeli dRe iyo. darbazi mayurebliT iyo savse, romlebmac filmis dasrulebis Semdeg xangrZlivi aplodismentebiT gamoxates aRfrTovaneba. Cvenebis Semdeg filmis garCeva gaimarTa, romelsac baTumis SoTa rusTavelis saxelmwifo universitetis profesori, filosofosi giorgi masalkini uZRveboda. man Cemi Sesruleba dadebiTad Seafasa, risTvisac did madlobas vuxdi. Cvenebas warsulSi Zaladobis msxverpli qalbatoni eswreboda. filmis garCevisas Tavisi gancdebi gagviziara, Tqva, rom es istoria misTvis nacnobia da swored amitom masze Zalian imoqmeda. aseTi gamoxmaureba CemTvis udidesi motivaciaa. rodesac mayurebeli geubneba, rom Seni Sesruleba daexmara mas sakuTari gamocdilebis gaazrebaSi, es msaxiobisTvis udidesi jildoa. mjera, rom es filmi mniSvnelovan diskusias gamoiwvevs sazogadoebaSi da xels Seuwyobs ojaxuri Zaladobis Temaze Riad saubars.

– Tqveni azriT, SeuZlia am rols da istorias im adamianebis daxmareba, romlebic msgavsi Zaladobis msxverplni arian?

– diax, vfiqrob, am istorias namdvilad SeuZlia im adamianebis daxmareba, romlebic Zaladobas ganicdian, an ukve gaiares msgavsi gamocdileba. kinoxelovnebas aqvs unari, zustad imas Seexos, razec sityvebiT ver isaubreb. adamiani ekranze sakuTar tkivils rom xedavs, grZnobs, rom marto araa. SesaZloa, ifiqros: Tu man Zaladobisgan Tavis daRweva SeZlo, iqneb mec SevZlo? – swored es SeiZleba gaxdes pirveli mniSvnelovani nabiji sakuTari mdgomareobis aRiarebisken da gamosavlisken. garda amisa, filmis gavleniT, SesaZloa, sazogadoebaSic gaCndes meti gaazreba da TanagrZnoba, naklebi stigma da meti mxardaWera. aseTi garemo ki swored is sayrdenia, romelic bevr qals sakuTari SiSis damarcxebaSi exmareba. films yovelTvis ar SeuZlia pasuxebis gacema, samagierod, SeuZlia kiTxvebi gaaCinos da xSirad swored aqedan iwyeba svla cvlilebisken.

– rogor fiqrobT, xelovnebis eniT ramdenad mniSvnelovania sazogadoebaSi aseT Temebze Riad saubari?

– sazogadoebis ganviTarebisTvis, vfiqrob, ukiduresad mniSvnelovania, aseT mtkivneul da sensitiur Temebze xelovnebis eniT Riad vilaparakoT. xSirad, Zaladobaze mxolod statistikis an iuridiuli dokumentebis doneze vsaubrobT da miRma gvrCeba adamianuri mxare, ver vxedavT imas, vinc realurad am problemiT cxovrobs. xelovneba ki, iqneba es kino, Teatri, literatura Tu sxva forma, aZlevs msxverpls xmas, saxes, emocias da swored es qmnis kavSirs mayurebelTan.

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