“მმართველ ძალას უჭირს საგარეო პოლიტიკური რისკების სათანადო შეფასება”

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mitingebi, demonstraciebi, urTierTsiZulvili, adamianebis cema, darbevebi – qarTuli politikis Tanmdevi movlenaa, rac saqarTvelos ganviTarebas, mis winsvlas da warmatebas mniSvnelovanad aferxebs. arada, efeqturad gatarebuli saSinao politika (demokratiuli saarCevno kanonmdebloba, civiluri debatebi oponentebs Soris) winapirobaa qveynis ganviTarebisTvis, risi dasturia baltiispireTis qveynebi, romlebic ara mxolod demokratiuli saxelmwifoebi, aramed ekonomikuri aRmavlobis TvalsazrisiT mowinaveni arian. am mxriv saqarTvelos mimarT bolo dros kiTxvis niSnebi gaCnda, `ucxouri gavlenis gamWirvalobis Sesaxeb~ kanoni gaxda axali dapirispirebis mizezi opoziciasa da mmarTvel partias Soris, dasavleTis SeniSvnebmac imata, ramac mravali kiTxva warmoSva. swored amis Taobaze gviziarebs Tavis Tvalsazriss saerTaSoriso urTierTobebis specialisti giorgi gobroniZe.

– rogor daaxasiaTebdiT dRes saqarTveloSi mimdinare procesebs da ra aspeqtebs gamoyofdiT?

– rogorc usafrTxoebis sakiTxebis mkvlevari, didi sifrTxiliT vakvirdebi mimdinare procesebs. SeiZleba iTqvas, rom dRes qveyana uaxlesi periodis ganmavlobaSi pirvelad dgas am masStabis politikuri krizisis winaSe, Tumca minda aRvniSno, rom mocemuli krizisis niSnebi ar gaCenila arc guSin, arc dRes, arc xelisuflebis mier `ucxouri gavlenis gamWvirvalobis Sesaxeb~ kanonis inicirebisas. ukve wlebia, vxedavT, rom qveyanaSi politikuri cxovrebis warmmarTvel ZiriTad Zalebsa da qarTuli sazogadoebis did umravlesobas Soris gawyvetilia kavSiri. ukve wlebia gvaqvs mocemuloba, romlis mixedviTac saqarTvelos mosaxleobis naxevarze meti e.w.gadauwyveteli amomrCevelia, rac miuTiTebs imaze, rom sazogadoebis mniSvnelovani nawili imyofeba erTgvar politikur apaTiaSi – ar endobodnen mTavrobas, miuRebelia opozicia. SemTxveviTi ar yofila, rom 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebSi aqtivobam, oficialuri monacemebiT, 56% Seadgina, xolo mmarTvelma Zalam saarCevno yuTTan misuli amomrCevlebis xmaTa 48%-iT aiRo xelSi Zalaufleba, Sesabamisad, uxeSi gaTvlebiT, saqarTvelos mmarTvel politikur gunds legitimacia mianiWa registrirebuli amomrCevlis, saSualod, meoTxedma, opoziciur jgufebs – kidev ufro naklebma. amdenad, SeiZleba iTqvas, rom qarTuli politikuri istebliSmenti dRes ver gamoxatavs sazogadoebis interesebs, Sedegad ki viRebT garemos, sadac politikosebi arian gaucxoebulni xalxisgan. swored aRniSnulis gamoZaxilia mimdinare saprotesto moZraobac, sadac miuxedavad sazogadoebis arnaxuli mobilizaciisa, politikuri liderebi eridebian pirdapir da aqtiur CarTulobas procesebSi. Cven TiTqmis ver vxedavT maT sajaro gamosvlebs, isini TiTqmis arasdros mimarTaven sazogadoebas, ar saxaven samoqmedo gegmebs da, yovel SemTxvevaSi, gare damkvirveblisTvis ar ikveTeba arcerTi jgufi, romelsac aqvs sakmarisi legitimacia, warmoadginos sazogadoeba Tundac mTavrobasTan molaparakebebSi. paralelurad, demonstraciebis masStabidan, aseve, sazogadoebrivi ganwyobebidan gamomdinare, aseT Zalas arc dRevandeli marTveli politikuri jgufi warmoadgens. swored es mocemuloba da am mocemulobis fonze mmarTveli jgufis survili, moaxdinos Zalauflebis konsolidacia, rac mas miscems saSualebas, amjerad meoTxe vadiT marTos qveyana – warmoSobs politikur kriziss, romelic TandaTanobiT uaxlovdeba saxifaTo niSnuls, romlis Semdegac viTarebis gamosworeba iqneba Zalian rTuli.

– am etapze gamoikveTa problemuri sakiTxi – mmarTveli partia apirebs, sabolood miiRos kanoni `ucxouri gavlenis gamWirvalobis Sesaxeb~. am kanonis miReba parlamentis mxridan ra plusebs da minusebs aZlevs xelisuflebas da opozicias saarCevnod?

– mmarTveli partiis survili, miiRos kanoni `ucxouri gamWvirvalobis Sesaxeb~ nebismier fasad, sxva araferia Tu ara pirdapiri refleqsia qarTuli politikuri kulturisa, sadac nebismieri daTmoba, kompromisi, molaparakeba, dialogi, konsensusi, erTi sityviT, yvelaferi is, rac yvela normalur qveyanaSi politikosis Zlier mxareebadaa miCneuli, aRiqmeba rogorc erTgvari sisuste, romelsac amomrCeveli ar patiobs. samwuxarod, Cveni politikuri kultura mTeli uaxlesi istoriis ganmavlobaSi Camoyalibda rogorc ukiduresad brutaluri, polarizebuli politikuri kultura, sadac nebismieri mmarTveli gundi cdilobs oponentis ganadgurebas, sadac yvela momdevno xelisufali anadgurebda winamorbeds. aseTi iyo, magaliTad, prezident gamsaxurdias damxoba, misi momxreebis devna da Seviwroeba, samoqalaqo omis Semdgomi represia da devnili prezidentis burusiT moculi sikvdili, rac dRemde araerT kiTxvis niSans aCens, Tumca Cemi poziciaa, rom Tundac TviTmkvlelobis SemTxvevaSi, swored is politikuri Zalaa damnaSave, romelmac devnili prezidenti TviTmkvlelobamde miiyvana (da TviTmkvlelobamde miyvanac danaSaulia saqarTvelos moqmedi kanonmdeblobis mixedviT). gamsaxurdias Semdeg represiebs daeqvemdebara eduard SevardnaZis politikuri jgufi `moqalaqeTa kavSiri~, romelmac meore partiasTan `aRorZinebasTan~ erTad ubralod Sewyvita arseboba (calke sakiTxia am partiebis negatiuri roli saqarTvelos uaxles istoriaSi). marTalia, Tavad SevardnaZes – ara, magram represia Seexo misi politikuri Zalis araerT warmomadgenels. Semdeg iyo `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~, romelic gadarCa, rogorc opoziciuri politikuri Zala, magram vxedavT, rom dRevandeli mmarTveli gundi swored am ukanasknelisgan cdilobs dehumanizebuli da demonizebuli mtris xatis Seqmnas, romlis fantomiTac surs sazogadoebis daSineba. Cven, aseve, vnaxeT represiebi aRniSnuli Zalis calkeuli liderebis winaaRmdeg. Aaqedan gamomdinare, absoluturad bunebrivia, miviCnioT, Tavad mmarTvel politikur gundsac aqvs SiSi, rom xelisuflebis dakargvis SemTxvevaSi, Zalaufleba SeiZleba xelSi aiRon revanSistebma, romlebic ukve maT mouwyoben represias, Sedegad ki igi iwyebs moqmedebas TviTgadarCenis aqtiur reJimSi. CemTvis gaugebaria, ra logikiT, magram mmarTveli gundis zogierTi warmomadgeneli albaT TviTgadarCenisTvis sasicocxlo instrumentad miiCnevs kanonproeqts, romelmac amxela politikuri krizisi gamoiwvia. amitomac isini kbilebiT icaven am normas da, sinamdvileSi, ver iazreben, rom Tundac maTi mmarTvelobis usafrTxoebisTvis gacilebiT mizanSewonili iqneba viTarebis deeskalaciaze muSaoba, vidre ukompromiso dapirispirebaSi Sesvla sazogadoebis kritikulad ganwyobil masasTan.

simarTle giTxraT, saerTod gaugebaria am kanonis saWiroeba im daSvebiTac ki, rom saxelmwifo realurad cvlis sagareo politikur veqtors, an xelisfleba sabolood ambobs uars qveynis demokratizaciaze. Tanmimdevrulad rom gavyveT, pirveli da yvelaze didi problema, ramac gamoiwvia sazogadoebis mniSvnelovani nawilis protesti, ukavSirdeba termins `ucxouri Zalis interesebis gamtarebeli~, rac Cvens politikur kulturaSi, Tavisi Sinaarsobrivi datvirTviT, pirdapiraa gaigivebuli terminTan moRalate. bunebrivia, aRniSnuli termini araerTma adamianma, miuxedavad partiuli kuTvnilebisa, aRiqva rogorc Rirsebis Semlaxavi. Tavad yofili premier-ministri, batoni RaribaSvili ambobs, rom qveyanaSi 31 000-mde arasamTavrobo organizaciaa registrirebuli, xolo mmarTveli gundis sxva warmomadgenelTa TqmiT, maTTvis problemas qmnis 5-7 organizacia. modiT, gavakeToT daSveba, rom TiToeul organizaciaSi saSualod 5 adamiani mainc muSaobs. rogorc wesi, es ricxvi amaze maRalia, Sesabamisad, gamodis, rom xelisuflebam, romelsac aqvs kiTxvebi 5-7 organizaciasTan, 31 aTas organizacias anu, uxeSi da minimalisturi gaTvlebiT, 155 000 aTas adamians mosTxova, sakuTari Tavi daaidentificiros saxeliT, romelic maT warmodgenaSi niSnavs moRalates. davuSvaT, rom TiToeuli adamiani cxovrobs, sul mcire, samsulian ojaxSi, ra gamodis, – Cvens sazogadoebaSi daaxloebiT 465 000 adamiani xdeba socialuri, politikuri da kulturuli stigmatizaciis samizne. Cveni mosaxleobis raodenobis fonze, es kolosalurad didi ricxvia. ar mgonia, kanonproeqtis avtorebs misi weris procesSi amaze efiqraT, an gaeTvaliswinebinaT qarTuli, gnebavT postsabWoTa sazogadoebis kulturuli (maT Soris, politikuri kulturis) Taviseburebebic. meore sakiTxi, rac aseve bundovania, uSualod kanonis legitimur mizans, gamWvirvalobas exeba. mmarTveli Zalis warmomadgenlebis mtkicebiT, aRniSnuli kanonmdeblobis miReba saWiroa, raTa moxdes qveyanaSi ucxo Zalebis mxridan `Savi fuliT~ politikuri partiebisa da jgufebis dafinansebis da konstituciuri wyobilebis ZaladobiT Secvlis prevencia.

pirveli, rac unda aRiniSnos, aris is, rom saqarTvelos sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsis 307-e da 315-e muxlebiT amgvari qmedeba warmoadgens danaSauls, iseve, rogorc politikuri partiebis mier ucxo Zalisgan dafinansebis miReba warmoadgens kanonsawinaaRmdego qmedebas politikuri partiebis dafinansebis arsebuli wesis Tanaxmad. Sesabamisad, is, rasac mTavroba ebrZvis e.w. gamWvirvalobis kanoniT, saerTodac kriminalizebulia. Sesabamisad, Tu arsebobs saTanado informacia da mtkicebulebaTa erToblioba, romelic pasuxobs samarTlebriv standarts, saWiroa gamoZieba da Sesabamisi samarTlebrivi Sedegis dadeba, xolo Tu ubralod, varaudis doneze saubrobs mmarTveli Zala, mas aseve aqvs moqmedi kanonmdeblobis CarCoebSi yvela berketi am varaudis gadasamowmeblad. Eesec rom ara, gaugebaria, ra gzebiT uzrunelyofs mediis warmomadgenlebis an arasamTavrobo organizaciebis mier weliwadSi erTxel Sevsebuli deklaracia kanonis legitimur mizans. nuTu kanonmdebels hgonia, rom Tundac nikoloz meoris dros rom hqonoda ruseTis imperias msgavsi kanoni, lenini daregistrirdeboda germaniis interesebis gamtarebelad, xolo kaizerisgan bolSevikuri revoluciisTvis gamoyofil fulad daxmarebas daadeklarirebda? amgvarad, garda imisa, rom es kanoni Seuracxyofs moqalaqeTa mniSvnelovan nawils, praqtikaSi ar warmoadgens misi legitimuri miznis efeqtur instruments. aRarafers vambob imaze, rom saerTod amovardnilia ekonomikuri Tu samarTlebrivi logikidan kanonis damrRvevi organizaciebis sanqcirebis, an kidev monitoringis meqanizmebi. saerTod gaugebaria, ratom moxvda mediasaSualebebi mocemul CamonaTvalSi, radgan am ukanasknelTa finansebi da saqmianoba kontroldeba rogorc Semosavlebis samsaxuris, ise komunikaciebis maregulirebeli erovnuli komisiis mier. arsebuli meqanizmebi savsebiT sakmarisia mediis saqmianobis gamWvirvalobis uzrunvelsayofad. Sesabamisad, maTi registrireba ucxo Zalis interesebis gamtareblad sruliad arasaWiro nabijia, rac Zalian negatiurad aisaxeba qveynis Sida da sagareo politikur imijze. yovelive aRniSnulidan gamomdinare, rCeba STabeWdileba, rom am kanonis realuri mizani aris ara gamWvirvaloba, aramed mmarTveli gundis sakuTar xelSi Zalauflebis konsolidaciis xelSewyoba, aseve, uSualod, mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenelTa gancxadebebze dayrdnobiT, 7 organizaciisTvis da calkeuli mediasaSualebisTvis problemebis Seqmna. swored amitom, maSin, rodesac qveyana iyo stabiluri, ekonomikas etyoboda sicocxlis niSnebi, qveyanas hqonda sakmaod seriozuli sagareo politikuri warmateba, xolo sazogadoebas – amaRlebuli ganwyoba (Tundac Cveni nakrebis evropis Cempionatze gasvlis gamo), mocemuli kanonis Semobruneba, Tan im fonze, rom arsebobs dRevandeli premieris, aseve umravlesobis lideris sajaro dapireba, rom mmarTveli gundi aRarasodes miubrundeba kanons, gavda mowmendil caze mexis gavardnas.

gonieri xelisufalisTvis cxadi unda yofiliyo, rom evropel kolegebs kargad esmodaT, mxolod evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusi rom sakmarisi iqneboda xelisuflebis saarCevno warmatebisTvis, Tumca maT es nabiji gadadges, Sesabamisad, mmarTveli Zalis meoTxe vadiT darCena xelisuflebaSi, arsebuli saerTaSoriso politikuri koniunqturis da saqarTvelosTan partniorobis gaTvaliswinebiT iyo savsebiT misaRebi. maT unda daenaxaT, rom politikuri opoziciis argumentebi ar iyo Zlieri im fonze, roca qveyanaSi viTarebis gaumjobeseba iyo TvalsaCino da, Sesabamisad, unda gaegoT, rom maT araviTari saWiroeba ar hqoniaT, SeeqmnaT Zalauflebis konsolidaciis damatebiTi meqanizmebi. rogor warmogidgeniaT, ra unda momxdariyo iseTi 2024 wlamde, rac politikur opozicias miscemda amxela saprotesto muxtis mobilizebis saSualebas? Ppraqtikulad – araferi. Sesabamisad, am kanonis reanimireba iyo mmarTveli politikuri Zalis Secdoma.

– rogorc evroparlamentarebis, ise amerikeli senatorebis mimarTva saqarTvelos xelisuflebisadmi saxifaTo gzavnilebs Seicavs. ras unda velodoT?

– aRniSnuli iyo Secdoma ara mxolod Sida, aramed sagareo politikuri TvalsazrisiTac. zogadad, yovelTvis aRvniSnavdi, rom qarTul diplomatias aklia proaqtiuloba. is TiTqmis arasdros sTavazobs partniorebs TanamSromlobis damoukidebel dRis wesrigs, ar esaubreba maT, ar esaubreba sakuTar da saerTaSoriso sazogadoebas. aq aRsaniSnavia is, rom diplomatiaSi ar vgulisxmob mxolod diplomatiur samsaxurs, aramed yvelas, vinc qveyanas warmoadgens sagareo politikur asparezze. saqarTveloSi myof umaRlesi Tanamdebobis pirebs unda esmodeT, rom diplomatebi ar arian saswaulmoqmedni, rom, maTi gaugebari ritorikis fonze, partniorebTan SeZlon axlo kontaqtebis SenarCuneba. Sedegad ki bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi mivediT mdgomareobamde, sadac Cveni ar eSiniaT mtrebs, ar gvendobian mokavSireebi, xolo saboloo jamSi viRebT partniorebisgan gaucxoebis dramatul masStabebs, rac SesaZloa qveyanas Zalian Zvirad daujdes. yvela politikur Zalas, mmarTvelsac da opoziciursac, kargad unda esmodes, rom qveynis winaSe arsebuli sagareo safrTxeebi arsebobs obieqturad, imisda miuxedavad, Tu vin aris qveynis saTaveSi. martivad, rom vTqva, ruseTis federacia saqarTvelos ganixilavs teritoriul danakargad, axorcielebs qveynis 20%-is okupacias, xels uwyobs okupirebul regionebSi eTnikuri qarTvelebis winaaRmdeg faSisturi politikis gatarebas da es aris gamowveva `qarTuli ocnebisTvisac~, `girCisTvisac~, `lelosTvisac~ da partiisTvis „zviadis gza, uflis saxeliT“. amdenad, mmarTvel gunds manam, sanam Semoitanda aRniSnul kanonproeqts, unda Seefasebina SesaZlo saerTaSoriso rezonansi, sul mcire, gaevlo winaswari konsultaciebi qveyanaSi arsebul profesiul da akademiur wreebTan (es cudi arc kanonis Sinaarsze muSaobis procesSi iqneboda), esaubra partniorebTan Tavis SiSebsa da wuxilebze, aseve, warmoedgina saerTaSoriso valdebulebebisadmi erTgulebis myari garantiebi, Tumca, rogorc Cans, moqmedi premieri saTanadod ar afasebs qveynis garSemo mimdinare procesebs da gadawyvita, rom es yvelaferi, ubralod, saxelmwifos Sida saqmea. ki batono, SesaZloa am kanonis miReba-armiReba aris Sida saqme, magram sxva qveynebis mier saqarTvelosTan, am SemTxvevaSi, partniorobis gadaxedva aseve aris am qveynebis diskreciuli ufleba. swored amitomaa mniSvnelovani komunikacia. rogorc Cans, premieri verc im qveynis SesaZleblobebs da masStabebs afasebs, romelsac marTavs, radgan misi bolo gancxadebebi, dasavleli liderebis SeSfoTebis pasuxad, ar tovebs STabeWdilebas, rom mmarTvel gundSi bolomde aqvT gaazrebuli sakiTxis seriozuloba. magaliTad, ar maxsendeba, CineTis saxalxo respublikis, ruseTis federaciis da iranis islamuri respublikis liderebs, dasavleTTan dapirispirebul super da regionuli Zalebis warmomadgenlebs qonodeT im tipis toqsikuri da mtruli ritorika aSS-is da evrokavSiris mimarT, rogoric saqarTvelos mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebs. swored qveynis SigniT arsebuli SeSfoTeba da sazogadoebis mRelvareba rom xdeba deklarirebuli da sazogadoebis didi umravlesobis mier mxardaWerili sagareo politikuri, aseve qveynis demokratiuli ganviTarebis kursis revizia, erTobliobaSi toqsikur ritorikasTan qmnis im saerTaSoriso politikur mocemulobas, romlis winaSec dgas saqarTvelo. am yvelafers aucileblad eqneba sakmaod negatiuri Sedegebi da uaryofiTad aisaxeba, rogorc qveynis usafrTxoebaze, ise mmarTveli Zalis calkeuli wevrebis keTildReobaze. amdenad, Tundac saqarTvelo realurad axdendes sagareo politikuri veqtoris cvlilebas da gadadiodes multiveqtorul diplomatiaze, an uaxlovdebodes Zalis romelime sxva did centrs, xidebis dawva ZalebTan, visTanac TiTqmis 30 welia gvaqvs urTierTobis pozitiuri dinamika, aris ukiduresad damazianebeli saqarTvelosTvis.

– mmarTveli partiis wevrebis gancxadebiT, evroparlamentis rezolucia SurisZiebaa saqarTvelos xelisuflebaze imis gamo, rom meore fronti ar gaxsna. ras fiqrobT?

– aRniSnul fonze imis mtkiceba, rom evroparlamentis rezolucia aris SurisZieba saqarTveloze, mgonia, miuTiTebs mmarTveli politikuri Zalis ukidures Caketilobaze. aRniSnuli profesiul wreebSi aRiqmeba rogorc erTgvari konspiraciuli Teoria imave seriidan, sadac saqarTveloSi globaluri omis partia awyobs revolucias. aseT seriozul gancxadebas sWirdeba an utyuari mtkicebuleba, an unda SeveguoT im azrs, rom saerTaSoriso prestiJsa da imijs gavinadgurebT. namdvilad ar minda, rom Cemi qveynis xelisufals, vinc ar unda iyos is, saerTaSoriso forumebze Tavs aridebdnen rogorc konspirologs, amitom, kargi iqneba, Tu gangvanaTlebs Tundac batoni premieri an sagareo saqmeTa ministri an parlamentis spikeri da gvetyvis, konkretulad evrokavSiridan vin da ra formiT moiTxova saqarTvelos CarTva ruseT-ukrainis omSi da rogori iyo maTi warmodgena saqarTvelos rolis Sesaxeb, ra gardatexa unda Segvetana sabrZolo moqmedebaTa TeatrSi, romelzec mobilizebulia milionamde jariskaci. ras iTxovdnen Cvengan? iyo saubari sazRvao brZolebSi ukrainis flotis daxmarebaze Cveni ararsebuli flotiT? Tu, iqneb, Cveni ramdenime moieriSe TviTmfrinavisgan hqondaT imis imedi, rom ukrainis caSi gardatexas SevitandiT? Aan, iqneb, imas elodnen, rom Cveni armia mTeli 20-30 aTasi mebrZoliT kavkasias mowyvetda ruseTs? anu mtkiceba raRac racionalurs xom unda efuZebodes? Aan, iqneb, is gangvimarton, vin aris globaluri omis partia, saidan imarTeba da vin aris lideri. aRniSnuli, SesaZloa, ar momxdariyo, qveyanas konceptualizebuli rom hqondes usafrTxoebis riskebi da gamowvevebi, Tumca imis fonze, rom Cven saerTod ar gvaqvs erovnuli usafrTxoebis koncefcia, ar mikvirs, mmarTvel Zalas sagareo politikuri riskebis saTanado Sefaseba rom uWirs. da ara mxolod sagareo, mimdinare procesebma kidev erTxel aCvena, Tu ramdenad daucvelia qveyana. erTi mxriv, Cven vnaxeT internetSi gavrcelebuli personaluri informacia qveynis umaRlesi politikuri Tanamdebobis pirebis Sesaxeb. Cemi azriT, qveynis premier-ministris piradi telefonis nomeri ar unda iyos ase martivad gavrcelebadi. qalaqis merma Tavad daadastura, rom mas mouwia telefonis nomris Secvla. aseve, vnaxeT, rom xelisuflebam ver an ar SeZlo specdaniSnulebis danayofis im mebrZolTa identificireba, visi mxridan Zalis gadametebis kadrebic vixileT, verc im e.w. zonderjgufebis identificireba, romlebic Tundac gmirTa moedanze gauswordnen mamakacs, arasrulwlovani Svilis win. Samagierod, vnaxeT, rom am adamianTa identificireba SeZles kerZo pirebma da maTi personaluri informacia aseve gavrcelda. aq gvaqvs erTdroulad ori problema, saxelmwifos umoqmedobis da monacemTa dacvis. amis Semdeg ki nacvlad imisa, rom saxelmwifos emoqmeda samarTlebriv CarCoebSi, Cven vnaxeT warmoudgeneli absurdis Teatri, dawyebuli masobrivi satelefono xulignobiT, damTavrebuli kriminaluri jgufebis mier samoqalaqo aqtivistebis da opoziciuri partiis liderebis mimarT fizikuri angariSsworebiT. Tu am yvelafers uSvebs saxelmwifo, ese igi ubralod uars ambobs Tavis mTavar funqciaze, legitimur Zalaze da axdens am eqskluziuri uflebis delegirebas mesame mxareze, xolo Tu am yvelafers akeTeben saxelmwifosgan damoukideblad, ese igi saxelmwifo mmarTveli rgoli saerTod veRar akontrolebs situacias. erTic da meorec nacionaluri usafrTxoebis TvalsazrisiT sagangaSoa da saWiroebs saswrafo reagirebas. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi vriskavT, gadaviqceT arSemdgar qveynad da ar mgonia, romelime politikoss hqondes interesi, marTos saxelmwifos narCenebi, sadac rogorc sazogadoebis danarCeni wevrebis, ise maTi usafrTxoeba iqneba seriozuli kiTxvis niSnis qveS. swored amitom mniSvnelovania, pirvel rigSi, moqmedma politikurma xelmZRvanelobam, Semdeg ki opoziciisa da sazogadoebis warmomadgenlebma gadadgan nabijebi procesebis deeskalaciisken, SeTanxmdnen TamaSis wesebze da Seasrulon aRniSnuli SeTanxmeba. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, saxelmwifos fragmentaciam SesaZloa Seuqcevadi xasiaTi miiRos, raze pasuxismgebelic, pirvel rigSi, iqneba gadawyvetilebis mimRebi.

– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT, ra gavlena eqneba ruseT-ukrainis omis Sedegebs evropaze da maT Soris postsabWoTa qveynebis momavalze?

– ukrainis oms rac Seexeba, mis Sedegebze saubari am etapze naadrevia, radgan jerjerobiT orive mxares aqvs resursi omis gasagrZeleblad. erTi, risi Tqmac danamdvilebiT SeiZleba aris is, rom rogorc ar unda dasruldes es omi, omis Semdegi msoflio kidev erTxel iqneba bipolaruli, xolo moskovi, ukrainis mTeli teritoriis aneqsiis pirobebSic ki ver iqneba Zalis axali centri. ori warmmaTveli Zala iqneba – vaSingtoni (aSS) da beijingi (CineTi).