ირაკლი გოგავა: ეს არის ევროპის კოლონიალური პოლიტიკა საქართველოს მიმართ, რისი გაგრძელებაც აღარ შეიძლება
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evrosabWos saparlamento asambleam saqarTvelos Sesaxeb kidev erTi rezolucia miiRo, romelic sakmaod mkacr formulirebebs da mZime Sinaarsis Canawerebs moicavs. monitoringis komitetis mier momzadebuli rezoluciis mixedviT, saqarTveloSi viTareba uaresdeba, rekomendaciebi ki ar sruldeba. mwvaved aris gakritikebuli bolo TveebSi miRebuli kanonebi, sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebebi da parlamentis droebiTi sagamoZiebo komisiis Seqmna. SurisZiebad aris Sefasebuli demonstrantebis da samoqalaqo aqtivistebis dakaveba. mowodebaa, rom axali arCevnebis dasaniSnad xelisuflebam opoziciasTan da samoqalaqo sazogadobasTan inkluziuri dialogi daiwyos. rezoluciis proeqtis kenWisyras win aranakleb mwvave debatebi uZRoda, ra drosac gamomsvlelebs Soris poziciebi gaiyo. xelisuflebis kritikasTan erTad, gakeTda gancxadebebi qveynis Sida saqmeebSi Carevis Sesaxeb. debatebs ar eswreboda qarTuli delegacia, romelmac sami Tvis win uflebamosilebis daTqmebiT cnobis gamo, saparlamento asambleaSi muSaoba SeaCera. mmarTveli gundi rezoluciis avtorebs ormag standartebsa da arasamarTlian midgomebze miuTiTebs.
am da sxva sakiTxebze saubrobs `aWarasTan~ eqskluziur interviuSi saerTaSoriso urTierTobebis eqsperti, politologi irakli gogava.
– rogor SeafasebT evrosabWos morig rezolucias, romelic miiRes 89 xmiT samis winaaRmdeg?
– evropis sabWos saparlamento asambleaSi 306 deputatia da niSandoblivia is faqti, rom deputatTa absoluturma umravlesobam arCia, ar daswreboda saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg kenWisyras. swored amitom, mxolod 89 xmiT damtkicda rezolucia. es yvelaferi unda gaviTvaliswinoT Semdeg moqmedebebSi.
garda amisa, modiT, ganvixiloT, ra sargebeli moaqvs am asambleas. piradad me, dResdReobiT, veranair sargebels ver vxedav, garda imisa, rom Wkuas gvaswavlian im dros, rodesac Tavad SegviZlia davarigoT, rogor moiqcnen. maT aviwydebaT, rom saqarTvelos gaaCnia 3000-wliani saxelmwifo gamcdileba da mentoris toniT ar unda gvelaparakon. SesaZloa, 90-ian wlebSi CvenTvis msgavsi Wkuis darigebebi sasargeblo iyo, radgan demokratiuli Tu kapitalisturi sistemebi ucxo iyo da garkveuli ileTebi, meqanizmebi unda agveTvisebina, magram ukve dRes im doneze ki varT, rom SegviZlia, iqiT wavukiTxoT leqcia – ra aris misaRebi civilizebuli samyarosTvis da ra – ara, miT umetes, rodesac demokratiis, pluralizmis da sityvis Tavsuflebis seriozuli krizisia evropaSi. jei di vensma, aSS-is vice-prezidentma, miunxenis usafrTxoebis konferenciaze pirdapir mouwoda evropelebs, daabrunon sityvis Tavisufleba, Sewyviton konservatiuli partiebis devna da moeSvan mediis cenzuras.
– saprotesto aqciebi grZeldeba. . . ra komentars gaakeTebT Seqmnil situaciaze?
– saprotesto aqciebi ar Sewydeba manam, sanam afinanseben. trampis da ilon maskis mier gaxmovanebulma faqtebma, `iusaidis~ daxurvam da sxva informaciebma gvaCvena, rom CvenTan xelovnurad Seqmnili qaosi finansdeboda ucxoeTidan, aseve, briuselis komisrebic agzavnian Tanxebs, romelic urigdeba saprotesto aqciebSi monawileebs honoraris saxiT. Sesabamisad, es 260 kaci, romelic yoveldRe ikribeba, ar Sewyvets parlamentis win siaruls. sazogadoebis absoluturi umravlesoba mSvenivrad xvdeba, raSic aris saqme.
– Tu SeiZleba, daakonkreteT, mainc raSia saqme?
– dasavleTis agresiul wreebs surdaT saqarTvelos CaTreva ruseTis winaaRmdeg mimarTul samxedro moqmedebebSi, rac Cvenma mTavrobam ar dauSva da es unda davufasoT. did ubedurebebs da Sars gadarCa qarTveli xalxi. mimaCnia, rom igive politika unda gavagrZeloT, imitom, rom oms moaqvs ngreva, sikvdili, ekonomikis ganadgureba da a.S. qveyana ramdenime aTeuli wliT ukan daixevs… mokled rom vTqvaT, es varianti arcki unda ganvixiloT. mxolod mSvidobas moaqvs ganviTareba. Sesabamisad, gvWirdeba uwyveti mSvidoba momavalSic.
– ramdenad saWirod migaCniaT saqarTvelos parlamentis droebiTi sagamoZiebo komisiis muSaoba?
– 2012 wels, rodesac gaimarjva ivaniSvilma, maSinac iyo am komisiis Seqmnis survili, rac dasavleTis zewolis gamo, ver ganxorcielda. maT moiTxoves, rom xeli ar exloT saakaSvilisTvis. gaxsovT albaT, gamarjvebidan ramdenime dReSi daayena saakaSvilis gadadgomis sakiTxi batonma biZinam, magram `Camovardnen~ ucxoelebi da SeaCeres. faqtobrivad, maT dauniSnes `qarTul ocnebas~ opoziciad `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~, im imediT, rom momavalSi arsebuli xelisuflebis reitingi daecemoda da kvlav moiyvandnen xelisuflebaSi. qarTveli xalxi ase ar fiqrobs, radgan icis, rom es aris danaSaulebrivi Zala. 2022 wlidan, rodesac msoflioSi Seicvala geopolitikuri viTareba, Cvens xelisuflebas mieca suverenuli gziT moqmedebis saSualeba, Sedegad miviReT es saparlamento sagamoZiebo komisia, romelic miva `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~, rogorc kriminaluri reJimis, ukanonod gamocxadebis logikur gadawyvetilebamde. cxadia, am partias Seuwydeba registracia, xolo figurebs, romlebic monawileobdnen rigi danaSaulebrivi gadawyvetilebebis miRebaSi (Tundac – dumdnen), an mediaSi cdilobdnen mis `gapravebas~, aekrZalebaT sajaro sivrceSi gamoCena. es, udavod, didi nabiji iqneba politikuri landSaftis da sazogadoebis politikuri cxovrebis gajansaRebisken. kidev erTxel vityvi, rom `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ unda dasruldes, radgan es aris Zala, romelic emsaxureba ucxo qveynis interesebs.
– mosaxleobis sakmao nawili mxars uWers `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~. ra negatiur procesebs gamoiwvevs misi akrZalva, kidev ufro xom ar gaizrdeba dapirispireba?
-ki, hyavT mxardamWerebi, magram ukve aRarafris Tavi, aranairi resursi aRar gaaCniaT. es aris seqtad Camoyalibebuli xalxis jgufi. Tavad partia danawevrda martiv mamravlebad, beladi uziT oTx kedelSi. dRes ukve gaZlierebulia saqarTvelos saxelmwifo, samarTaldamcavi organoebi, policia, funqcionireben maRal doneze, aqedan gamomdinare, situaciis gamwvavebas ar veli. Tu Zalmomreobaze gadmovlen, miiReben fizikur SeniSvnebs da yvelaferi damTavrdeba swrafad.
– giorgi vaSaZe afrTxilebs mTavrobas, rom Tu moqmed politikosebs daiWeren, `yvelanairi daxmareba Sewydeba, SWIFT-dan gaiTiSeba saqarTvelo da ekonomika gaCerdeba. ise daimtvreven Tavs, SeiZleba verc mosulierdnen~. . .
– jer erTi, vaSaZe da `nacmoZraobis~ sxva wevrebi politikosebi ki ara, ucxo qveynis agentebia, es unda gvesmodes kargad. saqarTveloSi opozicia ar aris, mxolod dasavleTis mier dafinansebuli mexuTe kolonaa. meorec, Cven gvaqvs 23 miliardi konsolidirebuli sagareo vali, aqedan 10 miliardamde mTarobisaa, xolo danarCeni – biznesseqtoris. aseve, sabanko seqtorSia 25 miliardi ucxouri fuli. Tu SWIFT-dan gagvTiSaven, veRar movemsaxurebiT sagareo vals da es 50 miliardi xaxviviT SegvrCeba.
– sabanko sistema ar CamogveSleba?
– ara, ranairad CamoiSleba, sabanko sistemaSi didi kapitali aris ganTavsebuli. marto saqarTvelos fizikuri pirebis depozitebi Seadgens 21 miliard dolars. es aris rekorduli maCvenebeli da Tu bankebi sxva kanons ar gahyvebian, erovnuli banki Seva maTTan droebiTi marTviT. . . ra Tqma unda, gamwvavebebi sasurveli ar aris, magram amaT mier aRweril katastroful Sedegebs ar velodebiT.
– Tea wulukianis winaaRmdeg agorebul negatiur kampaniaze ras ityviT?
– e.w. opoziciis mxridan nebismieri agresiuli qmedeba zrdis Tea wulukianis reitings. amitom vTvli, rom es umsgavso qcevebi: saxlSi mivardnebi Tu ucenzuri sityvebi, mas verafers daaklebs.
– tarifebis izrdeba aSS-isgan. . . ra elis msoflios da kerZod, saqarTvelos ekonomikas da gamosavalia Tu ara samxreT kavkasia da saerTo bazari?
– tarifebis zrda Cven ver Segvexeba, radgan adgilobrivi warmoeba minimalur donezea, arafers iseTs ar vawarmoebT. amerikaSi Cveni eqsporti 100 milionze odnav metia maSin, rodesac amerikidan importi 2 miliards aWarbebs (ZiriTadad, es aris avtomobilebi). Tu odesme gavzrdiT warmoebas, maSin ki batono. . . saerTod, me momxre var, rom Tavisufali vaWrobis reJimebi, romelic 16 subieqtTan gaqvs, TandaTan SevamciroT. saqarTvelo ganviTarebadi qveyanaa da am etapze adgilobrivi warmoebis ganviTarebas Tavisufali vaWrobis reJimi vnebs. mimaCnia, rom somxeT-azerbaijanTan saerTo bazari unda SevqmnaT. am samma saxelmwifom unda Camoayalibos zomieri integraciuli modeli. Wkvianurad unda ganawildes, vin ras awarmoebs da erTian, 17-milionian bazarze unda uzrunvelyon gayidvebi. es mogcems Zalian did upiratesobas. ukve iseTi produqciis warmoebas miecema azri, rac patara, sammilionian saqarTvelos bazarze dRes ar aris rentabeluri.
– ras gulisxmobT Sromis danawilebaSi?
– magaliTad, is aTasobiT da aTiaTasobiT saqoneli, rac samive saxelmwifos sWirdeba, adgilze awarmoon, cxadia, Tu amis SesaZlebloba arsebobs. vgulisxmob imas, rom erTmaneTs uazro konkurencia ar gauwion, fasebis omi ar gaaCaRon da ase Semdeg, Tumca yaCaRuri da monopolisturi viTarebac ar unda Seiqmnas. am sistemiT iolad SevZlebT maRal xelfasebze xalxis dasaqmebas, imitom, rom mrewvelobaSi ufro maRalia xelfasi da aq Seqmnili erTi samuSao adgili momijnave sferoSi qmnis eqvs samuSao adgils. es aris yvelaze swori gza, magram, unda davicvaT erTi principi – samxreT kavkasiidan Cvens arcerT mezobels safrTxe ar unda Seeqmnas. garda amisa, gadawyvetilebebi am sameulSi unda efuZnebodes konsensuss. es aris saqarTvelos da mTeli regionis ganviTarebisTvis yvelaze optimaluri gamosavali.
– ras fiqrobT 3+3-is formatSi monawileobaze?
– dialogis uqonlobas, dialogi jobia. vfiqrob, ar unda iyos problema aq monawileoba. cxadia, rom ruseTis delegaciam saTanado deklaraciaSi xelmoweriT unda aRiaros monawile qveynebis teritoriuli mTlianoba. moskovTan kidev calke sasaubro gvaqvs, Tu rogor unda mogvardes cxinvalis da afxazeTis problema. samwuxarod, es erTaderTi da umTavresi sakiTxia, romelic ruseTTan srulmasStabiani keTilmezobluri urTierTobebis Camoyalibebas SeuZlebels xdis. am kuTxiT, xelisuflebam ukve unda daiwyos konkretuli nabijebis gadadgma. cxadia, Cven ignorirebas ver gavukeTebT samasi aTas devnils, eTnowmendis gamo sakuTar saxlebSi rom ver brundeba. ruseTi didi saxelmwifoa da man, minimum, humanitaruli valdebuleba mainc unda aiRos Tavis Tavze, rom uzrunvelyos devnilebis dabruneba usafrTxoebis garantiebiT. zogadad, am sakiTxebis mowesrigeba kremlis interesebSic unda iyos, radgan Caketili komunikaciebi arc mas awyobs. evropam ruseTTan rkinis farda CamouSva. Tu rusebs undaT, rom samxreTisken gasasvleli hqondeT, am Temebze unda ifiqron. aqvea CineTis interesi – „erTi gza – erTi sartyeli“, romelic, aseve, moiTxovs yvela komunikaciis gaxsnas. . . da emateba indoeTi-iranis interesi, romelsac surs, rom ufro CrdiloeTisken wamovides savaWro didi magistrali. saqarTvelo am yvelafris kvanZi xdeba, Sesabamisad, gadaketili gzebi unda gaixsnas.
– mTel am situaciaSi ra roli rCeba evropas?
– iciT ra, saqarTvelos evrokavSirSi miReba Tavidanve iyo evrokomisrebis didi afiora da tyuili. principSi, Cven es vicodiT, magram ar gvqonda sxva gamosavali ruseTTan problemuri urTierTobebis gamo. CrdiloeTTan daZabuloba, cxadia, dResac grZeldeba, magram imis dajereba, rom evrokavSiri odesme migviRebs, ukve destruqciuli xdeba Cveni qveynisTvis. rogorc xedavT, axalgazrdebs marTla sjeraT am satyuaris, riTac dasavleTi gvaiZulebs, vimoqmedoT maTi intersebidan gamomdinare.
– mainc ra interesebzea saubari?
– evrokapitali zemogebebs iRebs saqarTveloSi. Tanac, aqedan mihyavT iafi muSaxeli da mesamed fasSi amuSaveben. saerTo jamSi, yovel wels, evropa aTi miliardi dolaris sargebels iRebs saqarTvelodan. es aris evropis kolonialuri politika saqarTvelos mimarT, risi gagrZelebac aRar SeiZleba.
