„თუ რაიმე ზრდის ადამიანს, საკუთარი თავში უკვდავების აღმოჩენა“
baTumelebi kargad icnoben Sorena doliZes, Tavisi saqmianobiT, profesionalizmiTa da cxovrebis stiliT gamorCeul qalbatons, xuTi ukargesi Svilis dedas, warmatebul fsiqologs da poets, romelic Tavis nawarmoebebs, ufro xSirad, aRaza mTisSvilis fsevdonimiT aqveynebs. misi leqsebis krebulebi `davriSi~ da `aRaza~ gascda regionis farglebs da mkiTxvelTa yuradReba miipyro. ratom airCia es literaturuli fsevdonimi, ra siaxliT warudgeba axlo momavalSi mkiTxvels? amas interviudan gaigebT.
– aRaza mTisSvili – es literaturuli fsevdonimi, rogorc Cans, gaazrebulad airCieT. . .
– saxeli gaCnda pirvel wignze, `davriSze~ muSaobisas, ydisTvis, Cemive gadaRebuli foto avirCie, am fotom moitana saxeli aRaza. . . tragikuli siwrfelis, Tavgametebis, erTgulebisa da sakuTar TavTan gaCaRebuli sastiki omis gamoc, albaT. `davriSis~ gamocemis Semdeg, raRac Zalian Zveli da amavdroulad, Zalian organuli, xalxuri poeziisTvis damaxasiaTebeli Sinaarsi da formebi wamovida. specialuri pirobebi arasodes mqonia, rom loyaze xelSemodebuls memuSava, an menerviula leqsis mosvla-wasvlaze, sul mdinarebda da mdinarebs poezia. raRac sityva rom amoyvinTavda aracnobieris siRrmeebidan, momentalurad mohyveboda leqsi, romelic TiTqos dabadebidanve ase, dasrulebuli saxiT, mTlianad elaga CemSi da Tavis Jams eloda. formac, konvenciuri Tu Tavisufali, leqss axlda, am formiT ibadeboda. sul imis SiSSi viyavi, uneblied plagiatorad ar vqceuliyavi am mza teqstebis gamo. ver vxvdebodi, saidan modioda. dRes ukve maqvs amaze pasuxi. mudmivma kontrolma gamomimuSava gacxrilvis unari, ra unda yofiliyo Cemi da ra – ara. amas, ra Tqma unda, winare codna edo safuZvlad, filologiuri, fsiqologiuri da sasuliero ganaTleba, xalxuri poeziis udidesi siyvaruli da codna, studentobaSi enaTmecnieruli sakiTxebiT gataceba. mravalSviliani ojaxis dedas TiTqos ra meleqseboda, magram ar gekiTxeba poezia da mec gavSale mklavi da xevsuruli dialeqtis ankara mdinareSi gadaveSvi. vicodi, unda movfrTxilebodi sityvebs, swori formebi gamomeyenebina. ar mqonda xevsuruli dialeqtis leqsikoni, arc dialeqtis gramatikuli Taviseburebani maxsovda gaazrebulad. axla, roca xevsurebma leqsikoniTac damasaCuqres da aleqsi WinWaraulis `xevsurulis Taviseburebanic~ SeviZine, vfiqrob, rogor Sevbede am ambavs, magram guls mivende da ar vnanob. udidesi pativiscema maqvs dialeqtis mimarT, rasac literaturuli sifrTxilec emateba. gamaTamama xevsuruli leqsis mcodneTa mxardaWeram da siyvarulma. madlieri var samyarosi aRazas gamo.
– Tqveni leqsebis krebulebi „davriSi“ da „aRaza“ gascda regionis farglebs. . . Sexvedra mkiTxvelTan, rogorc STagonebis wyaro. . .
– 2020 wels, pandemiis dros, Ria cis qveS, baTumis mweralTa saxlTan, meliqiSvilze, mzis saaTTan gaimarTa, `davriSis~ wardgena mkiTxvelTan. es iyo gasaocari saRamo, romlis organazatorebic gamorCeuli sazogado moRvaweebi, poetebi da SesaniSnavi adamianebi iyvnen. mere iyo didi sicariele da lodini. . .amitom, 2023 wels, TviTonve davgegme Sexvedra baTumel mkiTxvelTan, sasicocxlod mniSvnelovani iyo `aRazas~ ciklis leqsebis gaxmovaneba, aviRe Tavze xeli, moviwvie adamianebi, saaTnaxevari davsxediT da gavaxmovaneT ara mxolod aRazas leqsebi, aramed sxvebisac. da baTumeli mkiTxvelisagan gaTamamebulma, 2024 wlis gazafxulzec vTqvi, `saca viwroa, iq gawydes~-meTqi da davgegme saqarTvelos mweralTa saxlSi `aRazas~ wardgena, principulad maCablis #13-Si da arsad sxvagan. . . da Tbilisma SarSan, rogorc baTumma 2020 wels, damanaxa, ras niSnavs mkiTxvelis usazRvro siyvaruli.
– roca poetisa da mxatvruli sityvis ostatis maia mindelis mier wakiTxuli Tqveni „devis deda“ moismineT. . .
– rTuli leqsia `devis deda~, mec miWirs xolme wakiTxva. qalbatoni maias xaverdovanma xmam gaSala leqsi, msmenelisaTvis zedapirze amoitana yvela tkivili, molodini, yvela uimedoba Tu imedi. uRrmesi madloba uZvirfases qalbatons, uniWieres poets, rom am leqsis tkivils gauZlo da gansxvavebuli xibli SesZina.
– `Sensken moiltvis Cemi daRlili, warmarTi suli~, werT `aRazas~ SesavalSi. Ees maradi Zieba da ltolva, kiTxvebs aCens. . .
– es im protoiberikuli sawyisebis Ziebis wyurvilia, yvelas rom gvexeba, im uZvelesi naSTebis aRmoCenis survili, rac Cveni genetikuri kodis, Cveni warsulis, Cveni daviwyebuli, CaCexili fesvebis kvlevas exeba, romelic ferfliTa da miwiTaa dafaruli da rac gadarCa, qarTul miTSi, poeziaSi, dialeqtSia dakristalebuli. masTan Sexebis mcdelobaa aRazas leqsi.
– `Cemi qmris mSurs, leqsebs rom ar wers da poetia~ – anu poeti, rogorc sulis amoZaxili da gacxadeba. . .
– diax. Bbolos da bolos, poezia xom imaginaciaa, leqsad gardaqmni Tu SenSi daitoveb, ara aqvs mniSvneloba, mistikaa da morCa. ubralod, roca Tavs poets uwodeb, sakuTari nebiT dgebi cecxlSi. warmoidgineT cecxlSi dgoma, naRverdalic ki gwvavs, aramcTu gaCaRebuli koconi.
– simarTlis Tqma ramdenad aucileblad migaCniaT dRes? `qali poeti, kaci poeti, elitaruli poeti, Serisxuli poeti, Tamada poeti~… am satirul-ironiul posts rogor gamoexmaurnen, SeimCnies Tu wauyrues?
– diax, cota sarkazmi, cota TviTironia, cota sarkis mimotareba irgvliv. leqsi ramdenime wlis win gamovaqveyne socialur qselSi da gaziarebis yovel jerze did interess iwvevs. mkiTxvelebi Tavadac amateben an akleben romelime mosazrebas, msjeloben, eWvebSi vardebian da a.S. 2022 wels daibeWda `literaturul gazeTSi~, `aRazaSi~ ar Semitania. . .
– `is erTi TeTri yvavili ra sxvanairad yvavis~ – aseTi yvavili rom davinaxoT, ra gzas davadgeT, saiTken gavixedoT. . . Tu sakuTar suls CavuRrmavdeT?
– mxolod WvretiT SeiZleba am yvavilis xilva. sakuTari Tavis, sakuTari siRrmis da roca Tavs raRac diadis, waruSlelis, dausruleblis nawilad igrZnob, yvavilic maSin gaiSleba.
– rogorc viciT, male mkiTxveli miiRebs Tqveni leqsebis krebulis `aRazas~ meore, Sevsebul gamocemas. ra cvlilebebi SeitaneT, ra siaxlea?
– qalbaton JuJuna SainiZis recenzias, romelic pirveli gamocemis bolosityvaa, axal gamocemaSi daemata beqa axalaias recenzia, Cemi winasityvaoba da avTandil yuraSvilis gamoxmaureba, magram arcerTi is leqsi ar Sesula, romelic `davriSSia~. `aRaza~ axali, 2019-24 wlebis leqsebis krebulia.
– qarTul poeziaSi `yivCaRis~ Tema, misi mxatvruli gansaxovneba bevr avtorTan ipyrobs yuradRebas, arc Tqven auqcieT mxari. Tqveni `yivCaRis sikvdili~, rogorc ambobT, damoyvrebuli mtrisgan xsnaa. . . me, mkiTxvelma, ase gavige..
– mteri SeiZleba mokvdes, damarcxdes, fizikurad damTavrdes, magram rCeba maradiuli kiTxva: sad midis is energia, is simZime, is tragizmi, yivCaRis saxels rom axlavs? Cemi pasuxi aseTia: yivCaRis orazrovani saxeba aRazasTan aucileblad unda gardaiqmnas, iqces silamazed, siyvarulad, cxeli beltidan amoiyivlos yayaCosaviT… da gadarCes. sxvagvarad ar SeiZleba.
– `sicocxlesa da sikvdils Sua gaSlila TeTri mindori~… anu optimisturad aRiqvamT realobas?
– es is wamia, roca Tan xar da aRarc. wams nu aRviqvamT nacnob wamad, es ufro cnobierebis monakveTia dasasrulis dasawyisisas. magas velodebiT yvela, mindorze, xnulSi Cavardnili marcvlebiviT varT, vin rogor da sad aRmovcendebiT. . . albaT, ufro optimisturad.
– `movida Cemi leqsi, muxli momiyara, muxli momiyara da RmerTad maqcia~. – Tqveni lirikuli gmiris am sityvebs avtografad miiCnevT?
– yvela qristianis sixarulia es, roca ganRmrTobis SesaZlebloba eZleva.
– cifrul transformaciasa da xelovnur inteleqtTan Tqveni damokidebuleba. . .…
– xelovnurma inteleqtma ver momxibla, jerjerobiT… albaT, male es naklovanebebic amoiqaCeba da srulyofilebas miaRwevs. mainc mgonia, rac unda srulyofili programa Seqmnan, adamianuri SegrZnebebis efeqts mainc ver miiReben, verc ujredul da verc mentalur doneze, Tumca vin icis, odesme iqneb es SegrZnebebic aRar dasWirdes adamians.
– cxovrebas rom Tavidan iwyebdeT, sad icxovrebdiT, ras gaakeTebdiT?
– baTumSi, isev, aq marxia Cemi guli. cocxali var, magram ase vgrZnob. ras gavakeTebdi? poezias aRar davapauzebdi CemSi, rac araerTxel Camidenia.
– sulis zrda. . . rogor uyurebT am sakiTxs, am etapze transformacia ra mimarTulebebs moicavs?
– gulwrfelobaa yvelaferi. Tu raime amarTlebs adamians, gulwrfeloba amarTlebs. Tu raime zrdis adamians, sakuTari Tavis Secnoba da sakuTar TavSi ukvdavebis aRmoCena, RmerTis povna, ukidegano mimReblobaa, Tundac sxvaTa sisusteebis, rac Zalian rTulia, magram aucileblad misaRebi. . . da siyvarulis mdumared tareba.
– kiTxva, romelic axla yvelaze metad unda dasvan adamianebma da upasuxon.…
– isev is, rac 22 wlis iliam ikiTxa Tavis droze: `ras vetyvi me Cems qveyanas axals da ras metyvis igi me?. . SevZleb ki, rom mas RviZli sityva vuTxra da am sityviT gulistkivili movurCino, davrdomili aRvadgino, unugeSos nugeSi movfino, mtirals cremli movwmindo, muSaks Sroma gavuadvilo?~
– roca baTumis quCebSi daabijebT, rogor qalaqs xedavT samomavlod?
– baTumiT bednieri var, dardianic. minda yvelam, vinc axla SemouerTda qalaqs, vinc gulSi Caixuta Cemma qalaqma, mxolod siyvaruli daaxarjos mas. baTumi kidev ufro gaiSleba, ufro vrceli gaxdeba. samwuxarod, ar SeCerdeba es urbanuli sigiJe, magram xom SeiZleba bunebis dazianebisa da qalaqis ieris Seryvnis gareSe moxdes es? Zalian minda, arasdros Caketon zRvasTan misasvleli, risi warmatebuli mcdelobac saxezea. adre qalaqis yvela quCa zRvasTan midioda, axla aRar aris ase, magram jer isev SeiZleba baTumis Svela. da sxvagvarad rogor davasrulo es interviu, Tu ara batoni vaxtangis leqsiT:
`aq aris Cemi cxovreba,
Cemi jvarcma da xsna.
baTumi aris baTumi
da araferi sxva. . .~
laSa xomeriki