
„თითქოს ისევ ისმის სუნთქვა, ისევ დგას დედის სუნი, ისევ ის ძველი გაზაფხულია“
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gazeT „aWaris“ stumari poeti roi abuseliZea, romlis Semoqmedeba mudmivad imsaxurebs sazogadoebis mowonebasa da siyvaruls. gansakuTrebiT efereba baTums, miaCnia, rom baTumeloba udidesi pasuxismgeblobaa, romelic gavaldebulebs, iyo empaTiuri, giyvardes gulwrfelad, Seni faseulobebiTa Tu SexedulebebiT yovelTvis idge istoriis swor mxares.
– didi xania ar Camiweria TqvenTan interviu. rogor xarT?
– mogesalmebiT, stabilurad var. mixaria, rom kidev erTxel meZleva Sansi, Tqvens saintereso kiTxvebs vupasuxo.
– pirvel rigSi, gilocavT qaliSvilis, marTas dabadebas. rogori SegrZneba iyo, roca wlebis Semdeg, meored gaxdiT mama?
– didi madloba molocvisTvis. 14 wlis Semdeg Tavs isev axalgazrdad vgrZnob, albaT, es iyo yvelaze pirveli SegrZneba. . . rac Seexeba sxva, mniSvnelovan gancdebs, gamimyarda grZnoba, rom sikvdilis aRar meSinia.
– ramdenime wlis Semdeg, roca Tqveni gogona am intervius waikiTxavs, ra saTqmels dautovebT?
– umTavresi saTqmeli, rasac perioduladac igrZnobs, aris is, rom am qveyanas siyvaruliT moevlina, udidesi grZnobis nayofia da irgvliv Zalian bevri adamianis gabedniereba SeZlo Tavisi dabadebiT.
– wels pirvelad SexvdiT dedis dRes dedis gareSe. . .
– diax, es yvelaze mZime sami marti iyo Cems cxovrebaSi. deda erTaderTi adamiania, vinc fizikurad Cem gverdiT aRar aris da mainc CemTan erTadaa. is iqca Cems sizmrad, monatrebad da fexakrefiT sixarulad mis oTaxTan, saidanac TiTqos isev ismis sunTqva, isev dgas dedis suni, isev is Zveli gazafxulia.
– xSirad exmianebiT qveyanaSi Seqmnil rTul viTarebas. adamianebs meti empaTiisken, erTmaneTis dandobisken mouwodebT. rogor fiqrobT, ra gzas gadis dRes saqarTvelo da qarTveli sazogadoeba?
– arcerTi gza ar yofila Cveni qveynisTvis martivad gasavleli. zogadad, saqarTvelo is organizmia, romelic Zalian rTuli qartexilebisa da brZolis Sedegad aRwevda sasurvel mizans da aseve, is qveyanaa, romelic dRemde saswaulebrivad movida. aqedan gamomdinare, optimisturad var ganwyobili da mjera, rom yvelaferi Tavis adgilas dadgeba. saqarTvelos gza aris evropaSi, qarTvelebi ki erT-erTi samagaliTo evropelebi arian.
– poezia, zogadad mwerloba, unda exmaurebodes, aRwerdes, gadmoscemdes im realobas, romelSic vcxovrobT… dRes mwerlebi, poetebi ramdenad dganan `iq, sadac qariSxalia~?
– saukuneze meti xnis winaT Tqva akakim:
`xan ugnuri var, xan brZeni,
xan arc esa var, arc isa!
garemoebis sayviri,
arc miwisa var, arc cisa~.
dRes `garemoebis sayviri~ socialurma qselma Caanacvla, is qariSxalic internetsivrceSi ufro mZvinvarebs, vidre yoveldRiurobaSi. poetebis da mwerlebis sityvac gaufasurda TiTqos. ukve yvelas eZleva saSualeba, sakuTari azri sajarod daafiqsiros da cneba, rom poets an mwerals ufro usmenen, me piradad, am bolo dros aRar migrZnia. rac Seexeba avtorebis pozicias, namdvilad gvyavs patrioti poetebi da mwerlebi, romlebic rogorc saqcieliT, aseve, SemoqmedebiTac axerxeben istoriis swor mxares dgomas.
– rTulia wero da kidev ufro rTulia, wero ise, rom Seni Semoqmedeba iyos bolomde Tavisufali. Cemi azria da vfiqrob, obieqturi, yovelTvis axerxebT swori saTqmelis gaJRerebas. Tu gaqvT axali leqsi, romelsac pirvelad gazeT `aWaris~ mkiTxvels gaacnobT?
– SemiZlia wagakiTxoT sul bolos dawerili leqsi, romelmac premia `quji~ daimsaxura. . .
bedis—wera
leqsi rom gaigona radiodan,
mere Rrubel-Rrubel dadioda.
veRar moiSuSa es iara,
roca `lurja cxenebs~ eziara.
Tofis gamWol mizans moarida
gnoli, afrenili yorRanidan.
xolo poeziis kalaTaSi
krZalviT agrovebda baraTaSvils.
hqonda moTmineba tutisebri,
saxlSi gaaxara TuTis nergi. . .
mindvrebs ufliscixis yayaCoTa,
TiTqmis yovel RamiT darajobda,
`sadac yvavilebi mTavrdebian~,
bardnars miaSura vardebians.
Semdeg ucisfresi matarebliT –
mtverSi waqceuli patarebi,
cxovreba rom eqcaT panaSvidad,
atara, gaarTo, daamSvida.
qali rom dalanda alublebTan,
furcels misi strofic gaubeda.
leqsebiT avsebda saqaRaldes,
dapirda, dabrunda! – aRar daxvdnen.
wyvdiadis samyaroc moiara,
Tumc ar u-MEMEN – ra.
deda daesizmra imedians,
kabisTvis gadado stipendia.
arada, grZnobebi veRar Tmobdnen,
oTaxSi haerze metadyofnebs.
(oTaxic sxvagvarad uxerxulobs,
fardebi amTqnarebs tuberkulozs)
mefe Tu ver Seqmna paikidan,
Tavi poeziiT daimkvidra.
galavnad moedo dedamiwas,
RmerTmac beRurobis neba misca.
misi nikorwmindac cad azida
da iqca erT-erTad aTasidan –
vinc leqsiT jebirebs gaitanda,
vinc omSi uSiSrad wavida da . . .
– garda poeziisa, sazogadoebam icis Tqveni damokidebuleba filmebisadmi. Tqveni rekomendaciiT, piradad me da darwmunebuli var, araerT adamians usargeblia. gvirCieT sami filmi, Tu gnebavT metic, romelmac bolo dros Tqvenze waruSleli STabeWdileba datova. . .
– dRes kinematografiaSi gardamavali periodia, aqac TiTqos yvelaferi iTqva da yvelaferi gadaiRes. aris axalgazrda niWieri reJisorebis namuSevrebi, romlebic eZeben axal gzebs, Tumca, jerjerobiT, gansakuTrebuli siaxle ver SemogvTavazes. amitom, isev Zvel filmebs mivubrundi da girCevT sam naklebad popularul films, sadac Zlieri dedis personaJebs ganasaxiereben msaxiobebi. es filmebi aucileblad daikaveben adgils mayureblis gulSi . . .
`ra awuxebs gilbert greifs~
`Cemi marcxena fexi~
`kafe de flori~
– aseve, gkiTxavT fexburTzec. Tqvenma megobrebma viciT, rogori gansakuTrebuli damokidebuleba da siyvaruli gaqvT am sportis mimarT. qarTuli fexburTis udidesi warmateba yvelam erTad vizeimeT. mainc, romeli TamaSi an monakveTi aRmoCnda TqvenTvis yvelaze dasamaxsovrebeli?
– ra Tqma unda, momenti, romelic saqarTvelos fexburTis istoriaSi ukve oqros asoebiTaa amotvifruli. nika kvekveskiris mier gatanili TerTmetmetriani saberZneTis nakrebis karSi, goli, romelmac yvelaferi Secvala da Cveni qveynis nakrebi evropis Cempionatze pirvelad gaiyvana.
– SegrZneba, romelic arasdros gtovebT. . .
– jer kidev bavSvobidan moyolebuli, uamravi axlo adamiani gamomecala xelidan. SegrZneba, SiSi, romelic Tan mdevs, es aris CemTvis Zvirfasi xalxis dakargvis SiSi.
– baTumi rom leqsi iyos, iqneboda. . .
– albaT, Zalian bevri kargi leqsi iqneboda, Tumca, poeti rom iyos, iqneboda aucileblad. . . modi ase gipasuxebT: baTumi aris qalaqebis – qalaqtioni.
– sulis simRera. . .
– `verxvis foTolTa~ – hamlet gonaSvili.
– Tu SeiZleba poetTan, mweralTan megobrobde ise, rom ar gyavdes nanaxi. . . Tqven visi megobari xarT?
– adamianTan, romelTanac mxolod fizikuri Sexeba gaqvs da misi sulieri samyaro SenTvis ucxoa – ver imegobreb, magram Tu adamians ar icnob da ici misi Sexedulebebi, Tvisebebi da suliereba, absoluturad realuri iqneba, rom megobari uwodo. albaT, ufro metad vmegobrob im wignebTan da leqsebTan, romlebsac avtorebi weren, vidre Tavad SemoqmedebTan da aseT SemTxvevaSi udidesi samegobro gamomdis. Tu gamovarCevdi konkretulad avtors – es oTar WilaZe iqneboda.
– mravali ambavi iwvevs adamianSi did emocias. bolos risi mosmenisas an yurebisas ver SeikaveT cremlebi?
– sxvaTa Soris, dRes vnaxe iraneli reJisoris mohamed reza heradmandanis moklemetraJiani filmi `deda~. . . warmoudgenelia, ucremlod uyuro.
– rogor fiqrobT, ra xdis saqarTvelos ase mimzidvelad, sainteresod, ra gvaqvs iseTi, rac ucxoelebSi aRfrTovanebas iwvevs?
– saqarTvelos ufro mimzidvels da sainteresos xdis unari, rom mas yovelTvis SeuZlia sxva erovnebis adamianis gakvirveba. saqarTvelo ar aris tba, romlis irgvlivac nebismier dros SeiZleba dasxdnen, koconi daanTon da ikiTxon leqsebi. saqarTvelo aris mdinare, moZravi obieqti, msoflios erT-erTi pawawina, magram macocxlebeli sisxlZarRvi, romlis gareSe dedamiwa ar iqneba iseTi, rogoric axla aris.