დავით ქართველიშვილი: მარიამ ღვთისმშობლის წილხვედრ მიწაზე საპატიო მისიის – ქრისტიანობის, ქართველობის ტარება გვიწევს

`saqarTvelos ebrZvis is imperia, romlisTvisac Cveni Rirebulebebi `sibnelesTan, umecrebasTan da borotebasTanaa~ gaigivebuli. . . da amis gamo cdiloben Cvens jvarcmas, magram amjerad, amis gakeTeba gauWirdebaT. dRes `axali sinedrionis” nebis aRmsruleblebi – umciresobaSi arian. dRes umravlesoba – barabasa da macxovars Soris swori arCevanis gakeTebis gzazea~, – wers socialur qselSi daviT qarTveliSvili, usafrTxoebis eqsperti, politikis analitikosi, sazogadoebrivi moZraobis – `xalxis Zala~ wevri. gTavazobT masTan eqskluziur intervius.

– aRdgomis kvireulia. . . ra rols TamaSobs Cveni eklesia eris cxovrebaSi. . . Tqven acxadebT, rom saakaSvili isev prezidenti rom gamxdariyo – iqneboda `katakomburi msaxureba, marTlmadideblebiT gavsebuli penitenciuri sistema, Sida patimrobaSi myofi kaTolikos patriarqi~ da a.S. ra gaZlevT aseTi prognozis safuZvels?

– adamiani unda iyo adamis modgmis, anu dabadebidan gardacvalebamde unda iyo dakavebuli sakuTar TavSi uflis xatTan msgavsebis ZiebiT. mxolod am SemTxvevaSi xar adamiani, sxvagvarad adamis modgmis ver iqnebi. ki, batono, iqnebi cocxali arseba, Tandayolili Tu SeZenili instinqtebiT da Tu ar dagainteresebs, ratom moevline qveyanas, gaagrZeleb cxovrebas srul umecrebaSi. . . sicocxlis bolos ki udides sasowarkveTilebaSi Cavardebi, swored maSin, rodesac CixSi moemwyvdevi sakuTar TavTan mimarTebaSi. . . aRmoaCen, rom Turme arc ufali gwamda, arc imqveyniuroba gwams da, maqsimum, rasac dainaxav, iqneba sasaflao, miwa da cxovrebis uazro dasasruli. ufalTan erTad ki cxovreba ar sruldeba. . . yvelafer amas, adamianis sulier cxovrebasTan erTad, ayalibebda dedaeklesia. mTeli Cveni sami aTaswlovani saxelmwifoebrioba efuZneboda uflisken miswrafebas. rogorc ki erSi sustdeboda es swrafva, ufali mogvivlenda gansacdels. maSinve vexveodiT ama Tu im Zlieri saxelmwifos kolonialur urTierTobebSi. vasalur damokidebulebaSi gadioda mravali weli da rodesac kvlav iRviZebda RmerTisken, Tavisuflebisken miswrafeba, gansacdels gavivlidiT, vuaxlovdebodiT gamCens da ufali gvaZlevda ama Tu im dampyroblis damarcxebis, saxelmwifo suverenitetis aRdgenis Zalas da vagrZelebdiT cxovrebas rwmenaSi – Tavisuflad da laRad. saqarTvelos arsebobis manZilze, yvela veragi mteri am saukunis dasawyisSi mogvevlina. igi pirdapir Seudga Cveni mentalobis genocids. yvelaferi daiwyo sabavSvo baRebidan da skolebidan. SemoiRo da gaaZliera iseTi saganmanaTleblo sistema, romelmac mokla RmerTi skolaSi da saswavleblebSi, ganaviTara iseTi yofiTi sistema, risi meSveobiTac asobiT, aTasobiT ojaxis mama-marCenali aRmoCnda cixeSi. adamianebs ukanasknel sarCo-sabadebels, arTmevdnen binebs, biznesebs, qonebas – yvelafers, rac moewoneboda belads da misi garemocvis wevrebs. cixeSi, jojoxeTur mdgomareobaSi myofi adamianebis dasaxsnelad, ojaxis sarCenad, aTasobiT deda iZulebuli gaxda emigraciaSi wasuliyo. es procesebi Zalisxmevas, dros gvarTmevda, sakuTar TavSi uflis xatis Zieba gagvegrZelebina da Segvesrulebina yvelaferi is, rac saxarebiseulad mogveca. . . da calsaxad Tqva saxarebam: modgma ese – eSmakis modgmaa. . . is Zala, romelic klavs adamianSi qristianobas, ganidevneba da daiZleva mxolod da mxolod marxviTa da locviT. gasagebia CemTvis, rom mxolod ukidures gansacdelSi aRmoCenili Cveni mosaxleoba imis magivrad, gaZlierebuliyo marxvasa da locvaSi, piriqiT, dasustda, ZiriTadi yuradReba gadaitana yofiT, fizikurad gadarCenis problemebze, xolo rwmenam meore planze gadainacvla. es iyo umZimesi wlebi, rodesac lamis gabatonda luciferi. eSmakiseuli, jojoxeTuri wnexi ganaTlebis, marTlmsajulebis, penitenciur sistemebSi. mTeli es antiadamianuri da antiqristianuli metastazebi moedo Cveni cxovrebis yvela sferos. rogorc yovelTvis, axlac daviwyeT am metastazebisgan gamoTavisufleba. es brZola dRemde mimdinareobs. SesaZloa, davasusteT adgilobrivi Winkebi, magram maTi ZiriTadi patroni kvlav mZvinvarebs. maqsimalurad cdilobs, rogorc minimum, daabrunos satanisturi mmarTveloba Zveli da axali moTamaSeebis, aqtorebis ZalauflebaSi moyvana-damkvidrebiT. Cven, rogorc SegviZlia, vewinaaRmdegebiT, am winaaRmdegobaSi – vZlierdebiT, ufro vuaxlovdebiT ufals. gadarCenis sawindari swored rwmenaSia, mariam RvTismSoblis wilxvedr miwaze sapatio misiis, qristianobis, qarTvelobis tareba gviwevs. amitom, marTlmadideblobas Tu SemovitanT Cvens yoveldRiurobaSi, sakuTar Tavs, ojaxebs gavaZlierebT, xolo umravlesobaSi aRmoCenili gaZlierebuli ojaxi – saxelmwifosac gaaZlierebs.

– rogor unda movaxerxoT marTlmadideblobis yoveldRiurobaSi Semotana?

– es ar aris rTuli procesi. diliT dgebi – mokle locva Tqvi. Semdeg Tavad guli gikarnaxebs, rom grZel locvaze gadaxvide. Zilis win madloba gadauxade ufals, es dRe rom gaCuqa. es xom ar aris mZime da rTuli procesi? modiT, konkretul magaliTs mogiyvanT: koronas pandemiis dros, dedas Seeyara es umZimesi virusi. pirvel yovlisa, rac gavakeTe, gaviqeci anCisxatSi, SevukveTe moZRvars sajanmrTelo paraklisi. dedas ori kviris ganamavlobaSi vuvlidi da minda aRvniSno, rom Zalian iolad gadaitana, gaukvirda kidec, amiT gvaSinebdneno. . . magram aucileblad gaxsovdeT, umadurobiT ar upasuxoT uflis saswauls. rogorc ki deda gamojanmrTelda, maSinve mivedi anCisxatSi da samadlobelo paraklisi SevukveTe. orive SemTxvevaSi, amaze wavida 15-15 wuTi. . . Znelia?! mTavaria, es Seni cxovrebis wesad aqcio, Caeba praqtikul marTlmadideblobaSi da nel-nela Sen, Seni ojaxi da xelisuflebac gamojanmrTeldebiT da Seiqmneba janmrTeli sazogadoebis produqti. dRes swored sazogadoeba, amomrCeveli aris avad, amitom bevri mosTxovo xelisuflebas, romelic am wiaRma Sva – usamarTlobaa. xelisufleba zustad imis anareklia, ra damokidebulebac gaqvs pirvel rigSi, sakuTar TavTan da ufalTan. mxolod rwmenaSia saqarTvelos gadarCena. SeiZleba quveiTs gadarCenis sxva formula aqvs, CineTs, amerikas, ruseTs – sxva, magram Sen, RvTismSoblis wilxvdomili miwis Svilo, unda icode, rom xar kandeli, romelmac dasabamidan aRsasrulamde unda miitano RvTiuri cecxli, Tanac ise, rom ar Cagiqres. . . Cvens istorias Tu gadavxedavT, vnaxavT, rom ramdenjerme Cagviqres es kandeli, magram ufalma mogvca imis SesaZlebloba, rom kvlav dagvenTo. axlac unda davanToT da miviyvanoT saqarTvelo im zRvramde, romlis iqiT, TviT antiqristec ver dagvamarcxebs, xolo aq SenarCunebuli WeSmariti sarwmunoebis xarjze, kacobriobas mTlianobaSi eSveleba da gadarCeba. ai, es aris Cemi yoveldRiurobis sazrunavi. Tu ramdenad vaxerxeb amas, sxva sakiTxia, magram xom vcdilob? . . aRdgomis am brwyinvale Svideulis dReebSi minda mTel saqarTvelos mivmarTo – ecadeT da gamogivaT.

– erT-erT postSi aRniSnavT, rom `wels sakmaod `usisxlod~ Caiara saaRdgomo: `aRdgas~ da `aRsdgas~ partiebs Soris saqmis garCevebma~. ras gulisxmobdiT?

– yvelafriT varT dakavebuli sakuTari Tavis garda. Casafrebuli varT, vinmes „iseTi“ ram ar wamocdes, rac ewinaaRmdegeba Cven mier warmodgenil WeSmaritebas saboloo instanciaSi. Tu vinmes raime SeeSala, maSinve vxdebiT wminda werilis ubadlo mcodneebi, saxarebis da Zveli aRTqmis specialistebi. es adamianebi ar arian ise miaxloebuli ufalTan, rogorc warmoudgeniaT. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, Tavs Seikavebdnen feisbuq sivrceSi am uadgilo SeniSvnebis micemisgan, miT umetes, rom uamravi samRvdelo piri aris dRes daregistrirebuli socialur qselSi da Tu vinmes fataluri Secdoma mouva, isini gascemen kompetentur pasuxs. rogor SeiZleba am periodSi aseT umniSvnelo rameze xmauris atexa: aRsdga Tu aRdga? cecxlis gardmovlenis periodSi aRdgomis milocva ar SeiZleba, litaniobamde – ara! . . da sxv. mokled rom vTqvaT, iseT raRacaze vaRvivebT SuRls, TiTqos amaze gadis Cveni gadarCenis, yofna-aryofnis sakiTxi. albaT, fiqroben: `es SeniSnva ar mimeca uxeSi formiT, me uflis TvalSi cudad warmovCndebodi~. . . es farisevlobac ar aris, sisulelea, rogorc marTlmadideblobis, aseve, misi mTavari principis – moyvasis mimarT siyvarulis absoluturi profanaciaa. . . uxerxulia, rodesac mkvdreTiT aRmdgari qristes irgvliv trialeb da iseT materiebSi xar Cafluli, sadac arc qriste Cans da arc mis mimarT siyvaruli.

– awgardacvlili romis papi franciske araerTgzis gamoTqvamda Tavis wuxils evropis kulturuli da sulieri identobis SenarCunebis aucileblobis Sesaxeb. rogor fiqrobT, kardinali, romelic mas Caanacvlebs, igive politikas gaagrZelebs?

– vatikanSi Cvens sapatriarqoze metad arian dayofili RvTismsaxurebi. sinodis wevrebs Sorisac igive viTarebaa, maT Soris, politikur sakiTxebTan mimarTebaSic. vatikanSi bevri sasuliero dajgufebaa, romlebmac franciskes ver apaties liberaluri gadaxvevebi, anu iqac aris klanebi (cudi sityvaa), dajgufebebi. jer aravin icis, konklavis gadawyvetileba romeli klanisken gadainacvlebs, cxadia, verc vimarCielebT. ase rom, davelodoT. sam kviraSi daiwyeba arCevnebis saintereso procesi kaTolicizmSi da Tavad vnaxavT, ra feris kvamli amova vatikanis sakvamuridan, vin iqneba rCeuli – is, romelic Sekrebs kaTolikur samrevlos qristes garSemo Tu is, vinc gaagrZelebs daxleCas da ufals daacilebs kaTolikeebs.

– `dRes xelisuflebasTan xist pozaSi Tavis dayeneba Ralatis tolfasia CemTvis, rogorc gindaT, ise gamigeT~. . . Tu SeiZleba ganazogadoT Tqvenive fraza?

– iseTma adamianebma gamoTqves ultrakritikuli mosazrebebi da TiTs iSveren xelisuflebisken, romelTagan msgavsi kategoriuli da radikaluri miuRebloba 2003-2012 wlebSi Cven ar gvinaxavs. amas vxsnidiT gasagebi, adamianuri sisustis gamovlinebad. Cumad iyvnen, radgan Zalian kargad esmodaT, winaaRdeg SemTxvevaSi rac daemarTebodaT. icodnen, ra SedegiT dasruldeboda xelisuflebis radikaluri miuRebloba. . . magram dRes xom xedaven, brZola ar dasrulebula, isev boginoben is Zalebi, romlebmac wina xelisuflebis reJimisas bolomde ver miiyvanes saqme da saprotesto talRebiT, mediiT, SeuracxyofebiT cdiloben Zveli kadrebis xelisuflebaSi dabrunebas. isini ar eridebian aranair xerxs, raTa aq daamyaron uflis sawinaaRmdego, eSmakiseuli, satanisturi wesrigi. arada, xom xedavT, rom es xelisufleba nel-nela, etapobrivad miiwevs maRla, iRebs iseT kanonebs, romlebic gaaZlirebs Cvens saxelmwifos. faqtia isic, rom mTavroba gverds uqcevs omebs, dapirispirebebs, cdilobs gaataros liberaluri xasiaTis politika ganaTlebis, medicinis, biznesis, ekonomikis Tu sxva sferoebSi, aTavisuflebs saxelmwifo sistemebs da instituciebs Zveli wnexisgan, im mankierebisgan, romelic 9 weli gvmarTavda. Tu yvelafer amas xedav da amavdroulad, aprotesteb, raSi xar marTali?! pirovnulad yvelam Caixedos sakuTar TavSi, gulsa da sulSi, Tu ar exmarebi am xelisuflebas, Tu mxolod akritikeb, arafriT gansxvavdebi im `nacebisgan~, romlebic ar malaven mainc, vin arian da ra miznebi aqvT. dRes radikaluri moTxovnebi – arasworia.

– . . . da ra aris swori?

– qristesTvis da saqarTvelosTvis Tavdadeba – gavyveT ufals. . . saSobaod, goWisa da sacivisTvis zrunva ki ara, marxvaa aucilebeli. erTxel mainc scade, Caidine gmiroba, Seinaxe marxva da ise Sexvdi uflis Sobas. . . an didi marxva Seinaxe an misi romelime monakveTi mainc. . . gavaneboT Tavi kulinarias, iloce, Seiswavle problema da gamoTqvi sakuTari azri, oRond marTebulad. ise mainc Seudeqi qristes, rom Sennairebi umravlesoba gaxdes, radgan umravlesobis wiaRidan uRirsi, mxdali Tu naxevrad gabeduli xelisufali, ubralod, ver iSveba. . . magram rodesac Sen xar mxdali, Sors iWer Tavs qristesgan da misi saxeliT araqristianul faseulobebs nergav, sxvebis mimarT TiTis gaSveras SeeSvi, dakavdi sauTari TaviT, nuravis hgonia, rom es procesi usasrulobamde gagrZeldeba. rodis dasruldeba TiToeuli CvenTaganisTvis wuTisofeli, uflis garda, aravin icis. . . iqneb bolo saaTebi, bolo wuTebi, bolo wamebia Seni, im jvarcmuli avazakisa ar iyos. . .
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