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gTavazobT intervius analitikos daviT qarTveliSvilTan, romelic partia „xalxis Zalas“ warmoadgens.
– batono daviT, Tqven gamoaqveyneT im evroparlamentarTa sia, romlebic Tavs uflebas ar aZleven, Caerion saqarTvelos saSinao saqmeebSi. rogor fiqrobT, sabolood ra daskvnas dadebs evroparlamenti saqarTvelos arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT?
– CemTvis evroparlamenti didi xania ar warmoadgens misabaZ demokratiul da idealur institucia-organizacias, gansakuTrebiT mas Semdeg, rac oriode wlis win, mTeli rigi xmauriani dakavebebi gaxmaurda. lobirebasa da korufciaSi wauyenes brali did jgufs, vice-spikeridan dawyebuli, evroparlamentarebis rigiTi wevrebiT gagrZelebuli. sakmaod did Tanxebze iyo saubari. . . jer kidev saqarTvelos arCevnebamde, oqtombris dasawyisSi, evrorezoluciaSi gamoikveTa ZalTa Tanafardoba, sadac sul raRac orasamde evrodeputatma Seikava Tavi saqarTvelos Sida saqmeebSi Carevisagan, rac 705 wevrisgan Semdgar evroparlamentSi aRmoCnda ukiduresi umciresoba, magram me Tqven garwmunebT, donald trampis gamarjvebis Semdeg am adamianebis politikuri ganwyobebic nel-nela Seicvleba imis mixedviT, Tu ra politikuri meinstrimi daikavebs wamyvan adgils maT qveynebSi da zogadad, evrokavSirSi.
– ratom migaCniaT, rom saqarTvelos mmarTveli wreebisTvis sasurveli meinstrimi Camoyalibdeba?
– imitom, rom trampis kabinetidan wamosuli meinstrimi ar SeiZleba iyos fsevdoliberaluri xasiaTis. aqedan gamomdinare, evroparlamentarebi flugerebiviT Secvlian TavianT damokidebulebas da pozicias mTeli rigi sakiTxebis mimarT, maT Soris saqarTvelosTan dakavSirebiTac. am etapze, ukve SegviZlia mivesalmoT evroparlamentarTa im axal saxelebs, romlebic warmoadgenen italiis, espaneTis, safrangeTis, ungreTis, slovakeTis mTavrobebs da pirdapir gamodian, maT Soris reputaciuli dacvis xasiaTis, gancxadebebiT, rom saqarTvelos saSinao saqmeebSi Careva, pirvel rigSi, evrokavSiris reputacias azianebs da akninebs am organizaciis dadebiT gavlenas rogorc saqarTveloSi, ise evropis kontinentze arsebul sxva demokratiul xelisuflebebSi. axla eqvsma parlamentarma gaakeTa aseTi gancxadeba, xval maTi ricxvi gaxdeba 12-17 da a.S. garwmunebT, tendecia mzardi iqneba, gansakuTrebiT mas Semdeg, rac, 2025 wlis 20 ianvridan, donald trampi Seudgeba movaleobis Sesrulebas da axali dRis wesrigis damyarebas rogorc amerikaSi, ise evrokavSirSi, rac momentalurad aisaxeba evroparlamentzec. mkiTxvels vurCev, moTminebiT davelodoT movlenebis ganviTarebas. ar aris SemTxveviTi, rom saqarTvelos mTavrobis yvelaze didi kritikosi Jigimantas pavilionisi iZulebuli gaxda, daetovebina Tanamdeboba da dRes igi aRarafers warmoadgens. analogiuri elis saqarTvelos yvela arakeTilmosurnes (gvarebis CamonaTvali Sors wagviyvans). maT Caanacvleben is pragmatikosi evropeli politikosebi, romlebic Secvlian politikas.
– imedianad saubrobT trampis gaprezidentebaze, anu TvliT, rom aSS Semogvibrundeba?
– me es ar miTqvams. saqarTvelos momavali arc trampze da arc kamala harisze unda iyos damokidebuli. Cveni suverenitetis, damoukideblobis, Tavisuflebis dacvis, mSvidobis damyarebis da stabilurobis miRwevis politika unda SevinarCunoT TeTri saxlis nebismieri administraciis pirobebSi. erTaderTi, rac Segvimsubuqebs gare ZalebTan mudmiv brZolas da gamklavebas, Tundac is aris, rom donald trampma Tavisi momavali pressamsaxuris xelmZRvanelad daniSna CvenTvis, qarTvelebisTvis da, zogadad, konservatiuli jansaRi ZalebisTvis kargad cnobili Jurnalisti taker karlsoni, romelic daufaravad gamodioda ojaxuri faseulobebis, RmerTis, tradiciebis dasacavad. Tqven SegiZliaT warmoidginoT taker karlsonis romelime brifingi, sadac is aRSfoTebuli SeSfoTebiT ilaparakebda, rom saqarTveloSi jer kidev ar gauwveviaT ojaxuri faseulobebis dacvis, lgbt propagandis amkrZalavi kanonebi, e.w. rusuli kanoni da a.S.?! piradad me amas Teoriul donezec ki ver warmovidgen. anu saqarTvelos ukve moexsneba is maklimatizirebeli uaryofiTi muxti, romelic yovel jerze gvaocebda da romliTac TeTri saxlis administraciis Tu saxelmwifo departamentis spikerebi TavianT dRis wesrigs awyobdnen. isini saubrobdnen ara sakuTar qveyanaSi Tu msoflioSi arsebul krizisze, ara evropaSi mimdinare omze, aramed saqarTveloze, ganixilavdnen aq demokratiis ukusvlas, agresiul antidasavlur ritorikas, Cvens iluziur miswrafebas ruseTisken da sxva aTas sisuleles. garwmunebT, donald trampis gaprezidentebis Semdeg, TeTri saxlis pressamsaxuri da spikerati, saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi, msgavsi absurdiT dakavebuli aRar iqneba. amitom aris CvenTvis da amerika-saqarTvelos urTierTobebis gadatvirTvisTvis kargi trampis kvlav gaprezidenteba.
– ramdenad SesaZleblad migaCniaT opoziciis Sesvla parlamentSi da Tu ar Sevlen, rogor ganviTardeba movlenebi?
– 2016-2020-2024 wlebis arCevnebs gadaxedeT da miTxariT, axali ra xdeba? erTaderTi, 2020 wlis aqciebTan SedarebiT, meti simSvidea, radgan veRar gariskes ceskos Senobis SturmiT aRebis mcdeloba.
– riT xsniT amas?
– elementarulad, am xnis ganmavlobaSi, kanonmdebloba gamkacrda da dRes msgavsi `xulignobisTvis~ ara administraciuli jarima (romelsac isev U
i ixdida), aramed sisxlis samarTlebrivi devnaa gaTvaliswinebuli. aqedan gamomdinare, gairkva, rom winaswari dakavebis sakanSi aRmoCena aravis unda. vnaxoT, ras izamen. parlamentis muSaobis da Senobis boikotireba dReidan samarTlebrivad dasjadi qmedebaa. darwmunebuli var, rom is policia, romelsac momitingeebi agineben, Seuracxyofen, molotovis koqteilebs esvrian, ar dadgeba kanongareT da Seasrulebs sakuTar movaleobas. . . mainc vfiqrob, CvenTvis samwuxarod, isini Sevlen parlamentSi, ianvridan miiReben did xelfass, xolo qveynis ngrevisa da destruqciis politikas gaatareben ukve sakanonmdeblo organoSi.
– socialur qselSi maT wyevlazec saubrobdiT. . . marTlac mosabezrebeli gaxda siZulvilis ena, romelic ers Suaze xleCs. . .
– siZulvilis ena da sazogadoebis polarizacia ar aris mxolod qarTuli fenomeni. amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi rom gaebedaT da welsac arCevnebSi mogeba mieweraT (rogorc 2020-Si) magaliTad, kamala harisisTvis, amerika ver gadaurCeboda samoqalaqo dapirispirebas. is amerikelebi, romelTa ojaxebSi dResdReobiT inaxeba naxevar miliardamde sxvadasxva tipis cecxlsasroli iaraRi, aucileblad gamoiyenebdnen mas, iseve, rogorc 2020 wlis ramdenime Tvis ganmavlobaSi gaakeTes da daanaxes msoflios maTi SesaZleblobebi. me mainc mgonia, rom am donis polarizaciamde ar mivsulvarT. es mosazreba SeiZleba miamiturad CamiTvaloT, magram, adre Tu gvian, albaT „nacmoZraobis“ yvelaze gamousworebel seqtantSic ki ifeTqebs mamapapiseuli geni. imeds isic maZlevs, rom monaTlulebi arian, xolo naTlisReba da mironcxeba ugzoukvlod ar qreba adamianis cnobierebidan da misi sulieri mdgomareobidan. imis miuxedavad, rom ojaxebic aris dayofili, ar mgonia, polarizacia gaRrmavdes da gamousworebel nabijebamde migviyvanos. dro yvelafris mkurnalia. Tu ojaxze, ufalze, samSoblosa da tradiciebze dafuZnebuli is jansaRi politika ganxorcieldeba, romelsac msoflios hpirdeba amerika Tavisi axlad arCeuli prezidentis piriT (rasac qadagebda trampi winasaarCevno programaSi), bevri ram Seicvleba. kerZod, 2025 wels, evrokavSiris mTel rig qveynebSi unda Catardes centraluri da TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi. bevrgan ukve momZlavrebulia memarjvene konservatiuli partiuli muxti, romelsac, cxadia, donald trampi damatebiT stimuls miscems, rom an pirdapir movidnen xelisuflebaSi, an wamyvani rolebi Seasrulon koaliciur mTavrobebSi. rodesac evropuli veqtori tradiciul-qristianuli fesvebisken gadaixreba, rac dakarguli, dakninebuli iyo am fsevdoliberalizmis wnexis qveS, Cveni `Sinevropelebic~ mixvdebian, Tu ras laparakobda amJamindeli xelisufleba wlebis ganmavlobaSi, rom Rirseulad, tradiciebze dayrdnobiT, amayad SevalT evrokavSirSi da mxolod saxedabrunebul evropaSi vxedavT sakuTar adgils. patara saqarTvelo gansakuTrebulia da ZaluZs, daanaxos msoflios Tavisi unikaluroba. Cven SevZlebT, viTamaSoT wamyvani roli evropelebisTvis evropaSive Cakarguli faseulobebis aRdgena-dabrunebaSi. rodesac es moxdeba, siZulvilis ena lamazi qarTuliT Canacvldeba da sazogadoebis polarizacia dasruldeba.
– batono daviT, ar SemiZlia, ar SegekiTxoT soxumSi ganviTarebul movlenebze, sakmaod imedismomcemi gancxadebebi vrceldeba feisbuqgverdebze. . .
– soxumsa da cxinvalTan mimarTebaSi yovelTvis vfrTxilobdi da dResac amave poziciaze var. mTavari da ZiriTadi, ramac Tavis droze gaafuWa Cveni Tanacxovrebis saqme, iyo qarTuli sulswrafoba da mouTmenloba, romelic vlindeboda sruliad alogikur qmedebebSi da romelTa miznobriobasac dRes veravin xsnis. pasuxs verc is adamianebi iZlevian, romlebic uSualod monawileobdnen am procesebSi. . . 1989 wlis seqtemberi – ratom SevvardiT cxinvalSi da ratom daiRvara osur-qarTuli sisxli? 1992 wlis agvistoSi ra gvindoda afxazeTSi, sadac uamravi qarTveli da afxazi daiRupa? ratom davuSviT 2004 wels, zafxulSi, oqruaSvilis winamZRolobiT, cxinvalis de faqto mTavrobasTan normalizaciamde miyvanili urTierTobebis gafuWeba ise, rom mis aRdgenaze mxolod vocnebobT?.. axla yvela Cvenganis movaleobaa, cota xani SevikavoT Tavi da aranairi komentirebac ki ar gavukeToT im movlenebs, romlebmac, SeiZleba (am sityvas xazs vusvam), sasikeTo roli iTamaSos Cveni samomavlo Serigebis, integraciis da kvlav gaerTianebis saqmeSi. amjerad mainc, nu CavereviT gadametebuli optimisturi komentarebiT, anu xmas nu amoviRebT, ufali ise daalagebs yvelafers, rom es ori uZRebi Svili, soxumi da cxinvali, RvTismSoblis wilxvdomilobis qveS aucileblad dabrundeba.