„ათასლარიანი პენსია არ არის ჩვენი შოუ, არც ამომრჩევლის გულის მოგებაზე გათვლილი დაპირება“

irma cecxlaZe –

politikuri koalicia „Zlieri saqarTvelo – „ilias gza“ aerTianebs oTx partias: „lelo saqarTvelosTvis“, „ana doliZe xalxisaTvis“, „Tavisuflebis moedani“ da „aleko elisaSvili – moqalaqeebi“. misi mizania: „rusuli xelisuflebis damarcxeba saqarTveloSi, Zalian swrafad im saqmeebis keTeba, romelic moicavs 200 000 samuSao adgils, 1000-larian pensias, kursdamTavrebulebis savaldebulo anazRaurebad staJirebas, swraf integrirebas evrokavSirSi da iseTi proeqtebis ganxorcielebas, rogorებიცაა anakliis porti, qalaqi anaklia da uzarmazari infrastruqturuli proeqtebi, romელიც qveyanas miscems Zalian swrafi ganviTarebis SesaZleblobas“.

„Zlieri saqarTvelo – ilias gzis“ liderma mamuka xazaraZem warmoadgina aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputatobis kandidatTa sia, romlis saTaveSia, geno TebiZe. gTavazobT masTan intervius.

– ratom ver gaerTianda Tqveni koalicia gaxariasTan, am SemTxvevaSi xom gacilebiT ukeT SeZlebdiT mmarTveli partiisTvis konkurenciis gawevas?

– amaze bevri iTqva da daiwera. imis miuxedavad, rom gaxarias partiis mimarT ar vyofilvarT keTilganwyobili, anu arc gvifiqria am mimarTulebiT moqmedeba, prezidentis Suamdgomlobis gamo, daviviwyeT Zveli wyena, sxvadasxva uaryofiTi momenti da vsinjeT am kuTxiT nabijis gadadgma. gaerTianebulebi kidev ufro ukeT SevZlebdiT Cveni saerTo mtris da konkurentis damarcxebas. rodesac yvela sakiTxi SevaTanxmeT, bolo momentSi gaxariam Tqva uari, Tumca ar daukonkretebia mizezebi. cxadia, aravin CaeZia da amitom ar gaxda es sajaro ganxilvis sagani. asea Tu ise, faqtia – Cvenma koaliciam aCvena qarTul politikur speqtrs, rom yovelTvis Riaa da mzad aris im ZalasTan TanamSromlobisTvis, romelsac kursi evropisken aqvs aRebuli da xalxis keTildReobaze zrunvas apirebs, Tuki qveynis marTvis sadaveebTan mova. imasac getyviT, Cven ar vfiqrobT, rom am gaerTianebaze uariT raime konfiguracia daingra. xSirad vatarebT kvlevebs da gamokiTxvebs mosaxleobaSi, romlis safuZvelzec Tamamad vacxadebT: Cvens politikur koalicias `Zlieri saqarTvelo – ilias gza~, sakmaod maRali reitingi aqvs. am etapze mxolod barieris gadasalaxad ar vibrZviT, vapirebT parlamentSi iseTi politikuri speqtris Seqmnas, romelic warmmarTveli iqneba qveynis marTvaSi. darwmunebuli varT, amas SevZlebT, qarTveli eri mxarSi dagvidgeba, radgan sjera, rom SevasrulebT Cvens dapirebebs.

– albaT, gulisxmobT im 1000 larian pensias da 200 aTas samuSao adgils, romelsac Tqveni liderebis sityvebiT rom vTqvaT, umokles droSi miaRwevs gundi. ramdenad realuria es dapireba dRevandel ekonomikur pirobebSi?

– gasagebia, ras gulisxmobT. . . neba momeciT, TvalnaTliv warmogidginoT magaliTebi, anu dagimtkicoT, ramdenad realuria es dapireba, radgan Cveni qveynis biujets aqvs amis mocemuloba. ra Tqma unda, 1000-larian pensias rom mivaRwioT, dagvWirdeba garkveuli procesi, movalT da meore dResve am Tanxas gavuwerT pensionerebso, rom vTqva, cota uxerxulic iqneba. Tavidan SesaZlebelia 200-300 lariT gavzardoT arsebuli Tanxa, radgan saTaveSi mosvlis pirvel etapze unda miviRoT is gaZvaltyavebuli biujeti, romelsac „qarTuli ocneba“ dagvitovebs. saswrafod unda daviwyoT investiciebis Semotana qveyanaSi, radgan swored investiciebi gansazRvravs, ramdenad Zlieri ekonomikuri momavali eqneba saqarTvelos. warmoidgineT, aTaslariani pensia ar aris Cveni Sou, arc amomrCevlis gulis mogebaze gaTvlili dapireba, am Tanxis pensionerebisTvis gacema realurad SeuZlia Cvens saxelmwifos, romelsac marTlac uzarmazari potenciali da SesaZleblobebi gaaCnia. 40 milioni mosaxleoba, rom viyoT cxadia, msgavs situaciaSi ase swrafad pensiis gazrda, pirvel etapze mainc, ararealuri iqneboda, magram qveyanas, romelsac mxolod da mxolod 800 aTasi pensioneri hyavs, ar unda uWirdes maTTvis elementaruli Tanxis gadaxda. Cveni moxucebis Senaxva ar unda iyos tvirTi da gamowveva. Tuki movaxerxebT da Semosavals gavuzrdiT, xom igrZnoben Tavs dafasebulad da am qveynis Rirseul moqalaqeebad? erTi samuSao adgilis SeqmnisTvis aucilebelia 20-30 aTasi dolaris investiciis Semotana. aqedan rom ganvsazRvroT, ramdenime miliardiT SesaZlebeli iqneba aTeul aTasobiT samuSao adgilis Seqmna. isic minda ganvacxado, rom anakliis portis SeCereba iyo am xelisuflebis erT-erTi yvelaze didi sircxvili da sakuTari qveynis mimarT danaSauli. es proeqti rom ar SeeCerebinaT, ukve gveqneboda 30-35 aTasi samuSao adgili. amasTan, Semovidodnen msoflio brendebi, kompaniebi, aSendeboda da moewyoboda infrastruqtura da a.S. anu jer unda Seqmna mimzidveli baza, romelic SeZlebs, moizidos biznesi da investiciebi. Cven davkargeT 12 weli, is dro, rac „qarTuli ocneba“ qveynis saTaveSia. warmoidgineT, am xnis ganmavlobaSi ramdeni sikeTis gakeTeba SeeZlo am erT ports. yvelafers emateba is dapirebac, romelic aseve gvidevs programaSi, kerZod, saqarTvelo unda iqces lojistikis habad. Cveni geopolitikuri mdebareoba unda gamoviyenoT biznesis kuTxiT da ara navTis gamSveb punqtad, sadac Tavisufali mimosvla aqvT rus turistebs da saeWvo warsulis ucxoel moqalaqeebs. ai, es aris problema, rom Cvens am xelsayrel geografias ar iyenebs axlandeli mTavroba. swored amitom unda Seicvalos igi, raTa srulad SevZloT saqarTvelos yvela momgebiani pozicia gamoviyenoT moqalaqeebis sakeTildReod.

– programaSi giweriaT, kursdamTavrebulebis savaldebulo anazRaurebadi eqvsTviani staJireba, razec `qarTulma ocnebam~ ganacxada, rom dapireba ararealuri da populisturia.

– modiT, erTad davTvaloT: 16-17 aTasi kursdamTavrebuli hyavs yovelwliurad saqarTvelos. axalgazrdebis eqvsTviani anazRaurebadi staJirebisTvis saWiroa, daaxloebiT, 170 milioni lari. igive Tanxas, yovelwliurad, `qarTuli ocneba~ biujetidan xarjavs naklebad cnobili varskvlavebis koncertebis Casatareblad. Cven haerSi ar gadavyriT fuls, mivcemT momaval specialistebs Tavis gamoCenis da sakuTari profesiis realurad dauflebis saSualebas. Semdeg ukve Tavad damsaqmebeli gansazRvravs, daitovos is kadri Tu ara.

– Tqven axseneT `gaZvaltyavebuli biujeti~, arada, rogorc acxadeben, 2025 wlis aWaris biujeti sulac miliardi lari iqneba da 5 milioni turisti gvewveva sezonze. . .

– ratom 2 da 3 miliardi biujeti ar aqvs aWaras? aseTi Rrma korufcia da Tanxebis mitaceba rom ar yofiliyo, Tuki megaproeqtebs gaiTvaliswinebda xelisufleba, am 12 wlis ganmavlobaSi xom iyo SesaZlebeli amaze meti Tanxis miRweva? uxeSi gaTvlebiTac ki Cans, rom avtonomiuri respublikis biujeti gacilebiT meti iqneboda. dRes ra aris es Tanxa? gaiTvaliswineT inflaciis done, samomxmareblo kalaTa da a.S. sadac gnebavT midiT, yvelgan gaaTmagebulia fasebi, aravinaa patroni, astronomiul Tanxebs iTxoven elementarul produqtSi. aravin aregulirebs am process. Cvens bazars ar akontrolebs Cveni saxelmwifo. bevri studenti iRebs akademiurs, radgan ver axerxebs swavlas usaxsrobis gamo, pensionerebi SimSiloben. . .

– ramdenad aris SesaZlebeli fasebis gakontroleba Tavisufali sabazro ekonomikis pirobebSi?

– arsebobs makontrolebeli organo. dawesebuli limitis gadacilebis SemTxvevaSi, obieqti jarimdeba. es wesi moqmedebs evrokavSirSi da mowinave qveynebSi. CvenTan arsebobs konkurenciis saagento, romelic premiers emorCileba, es ar aris sadamsjelo organo, magram misi daskvnebis safuZvelze bizness jarimebi ekisreba. faqtia, rom CvenTan biznesi arakonkurentul garemoSi muSaobs, ekonomistebi amaze xSirad saubroben. magaliTad, navTobimportiorTa bazarze didi xania SeiniSneba iseTi fasebis Camoyalibeba, sadac ikveTeba karteruli garigebebi. igive xdeba internetmomwodeblebis, mobiluri operatorebis, afTiaqebisa da sxvaTa irgvliv da amas sWirdeba daregulireba. imas rom velodoT, bazari TavisiT rodis daaregulirebs, normalur fasebs Cveni momdevno Taobebic ver moeswrebian. saxelmwifo unda iyos aqtiuri iq, sadac kanonis darRvevas xedavs, magram kanonis darRvevis faqti sworad unda gamovlindes da es evaleba konkurenciis saagentos. man unda warmoadginos kompetenturi daskvna, rom fasebi karterulia, anu Tqvas, rom bazarze aris garigeba, rom erTi da imave fasebiT, erTi da imave saqonliT, erTi da imave tarifebiT moqmedeben da isini amisTvis unda daisajon. dasja, cxadia, ar gulisxmobs, rom aseTi kompaniebi unda gaqrnen bazridan. maT unda icodnen, rom samarTliani TamaSis wesebs unda daeqvemdebaron, icis, rom SesaZloa dajarimdnen, Tu wesebs gadauxveven. aseve, SesaZlebelia, glexebisTvis subsidirebis gazrda Sida bazarze produqciis matebis mizniT. sxva rom araferi, iransa da CvenTan wylis Rirebuleba SeadareT. Cveni qveyana wyals miaqvs da ra Rirs erTi boTli wyali, yvelam viciT. msoflioSi Cven garda aRaravin svams wyals onkanidan. rac unda vamtkicoT, rom „ubanSi kargi wyali gvaqvs“, SeuZlebelia, qlorirebuli wyali ar iyos mavne organizmisTvis.

– „qarTuli ocneba“ amtkicebs, rom afinansebs bevr proeqts soflis meurneobis dargSi. . .

– realuri araferi gaukeTebiaT da is groSebi, rasac sxvadasxva sferoSi gascemen, faqtia, aminds ver qmnis bazarze. ra dapirebebiT movidnen qveynis saTaveSi, yvelas gvaxsovs, yvela milionerebad unda vqceuliyaviT mokle droSi. sxvas Tavi davaneboT, erovnuli banki xom maT xelSia? ratom ar dawies procentebi? komunalurebis gadasaxadebis dawevas gvpirdebodnen – gazis, Suqis, wylis da a.S. kargad iciT, ra Tanxasac vixdiT am kuTxiT. axla meoTxed undaT xelisuflebaSi mosvla, magram daakvirdiT, ras amboben, xelfasebs da pensiebs gavzrdiT, an es gavaiafeT da kidev ufro gavaiafebTo ki ara, aqeT gvemuqrebian. gvekiTxebian, Tqven ra, omi gindaT Tu `nacionalebi~ da sadamsjelo aqciebi?! anu aranairi dapireba ar aqvT, arCevanis ararsebobis apelirebiT apireben xelisuflebaSi darCenas. es Cveni sircxvilia, qarTveli eris, rom aseT mTavrobas viTmenT da ar vewinaaRmdegebiT arCevnebis gziT.

– Tqveni koalicia apirebs lustraciis kanonis miRebas, Tuki mova xelisuflebaSi. . .

– es aucilebelia, radgan unda vicodeT, romeli adamianisTvis SeiZleba saxelmwifo saidumloebis Tu maRali Tanamdebobebis Cabareba, maT Soris, saparlamento da aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi, Zalovan struqturebSi. darwmunebuli var, axlac arian am Tanamdebobebze adamianebi, romlebic kategoriulad miuRebeli arian Cveni wyobisTvis, qveynis usafrTxoebisa da saqarTvelos momavlisTvis.

– Tuki umaRles sabWoSi moxvdebiT, ras fiqrobT, risi gakeTebaa prioritetuli baTumisa da saerTod, aWarisTvis?

– imdenad daamaxinja da ufunqciod datova „qarTulma ocnebam“ sakanonmdeblo organo, rom dResdReobiT arafers wyveten aq myofi adamianebi, iReben im biujets, romelsac SesTavazeben da naklebad saWiro kanonproeqtebs. axali koaliciuri mTavroba, rogorc umaRles sabWoSi, ise parlamentSi, mousmens gonieri specialistebis iniciativebs, romlebic marTlac sikeTis momtani iqneba am kuTxisTvis da qveynisTvis. pirveli, rac unda mogvardes: pirovnuli interesebis mixedviT ki ar unda Sendebodes esa Tu is obieqti, aramed xalxisTvis saWiro gaTvla keTdebodes. unda gamovricxoT yovelgvari lobireba da gavlenis sefroebi. Tu gnebavT, mokled CamovTvli, ra aris gamosasworebeli. magaliTad, aWaris maRalmTianeTSi Cavardnilia gomardulis, goderZis, ganaTlebis, internetis proeqtebi. internetiT sargebloba fufunebad iqca iqaur soflebSi. am proeqtebis aRdgena da dasruleba aWaris ekonomikas wamoswevda da biujets Seavsebda, Tavi rom davaneboT xalxis keTildReobas da adgilze damagrebis problemas. axla vxedavT gapartaxebul gomarduls da goderZis uReltexils. imis magivrad, rom ufro meti investiciebi moezidaT, saerTod gaanadgures da amdeni milioni, Sroma, wyalSi Cayares, ufro sworad – jibeebSi. . . amdeni welia xulo-zarzmis damakavSirebeli gzis patara monakveTi ver gaakeTes. . . axla yvelafers xom ver CamovTvliT.

Cven kargad viciT mosaxleobis ganwyoba, absoluturad yvela xvdeba, rom cvlilebebis droa, anu xalxi iTxovs cvlilebebs. moswyindaT amdeni tyuili dapireba. . . vici, rom 26 oqtombers amomrCeveli daafiqsirebs Tavis uryev nebas, romelic gadaarCens saqarTvelos.